Errors of Bethel & Jesus Culture

I am approached often regarding the ministry of Bethel Church in Redding, California (and subsequently, music that outflows through their musicians Jesus Culture). For weeks, I’ve prayed about how best to respond, not desiring to present a statement out of context, gossip, assault the true body of Christ, nor give any further attention to a ministry that is frighteningly far from biblical truth. An opportunity presented itself recently when a friend provided me with a Bethel post “God, Bad, & the Ugly” from Kris Vallotton who is considered, along with Bill Johnson, the chief leader/prophet for Bethel Church in Redding. So, instead of providing thoughts out of context, I will simply provide biblical response to his publicly made statements regarding Bethel’s ministry philosophy.

Author’s Note: Since writing this post Costi Hinn (nephew of infamous faith-healer Benny Hinn) and I have published the book Defining Deception, which further details the errant message and messengers of Bethel Church and others. After reading over Vallotton’s comments, I did not laugh nor mock, but more than anything shed tears. Bethel desperately desires to “mainstream” their church but cannot synthesize Scripture with their ministry. As you’ll see, their words display a desire to be spiritual but it is quite apparent they have no systematic interpretation process for the Scriptures they attempt to use. Therefore, not only are the positions false, they are theologically immature. This is sad for the leaders and their families, but much more so, for those that follow such behavior blindly. We cannot call what these men say or do “church”. In it’s best form, it may be considered immature confusion, a youth ministry gone mad. In it’s worse form, it is demonic.


“…a small, yet influential coalition of people has shared negative reports about us. These reports often include words such as “controversial,” “unbalanced,” or even the word “cult” to describe us. To be frank, I can understand why certain religious leaders or unbelievers might view us through these perspectives. We certainly have made our share of mistakes, both as a leadership team and those who follow us. And we have such a high value for freedom and risk that it has created a kind-of research and development culture where people are encouraged to take risks. I think this stems from the fact that we view ourselves much more as pioneers than settlers. Therefore, we celebrate creativity, revelation, invention and innovation above comfort, safety and security.” – Vallotton

“Research and development” along with pioneering, invention, and innovation, are beneficial values for corporate America but the Church was long ago invented by Jesus Christ, pioneered by His apostles, and comes complete with the bible, a manual on how it is to be operated. Because Christ is the “inventor” and the head of this body, called the church, it becomes a fundamental, and deadly, flaw when any man attempts to build something called, “Church” on a set of values outside those clearly specified in Scripture (and hence practiced in orthodoxy for millennia). No natural man should ever presume to take the supernatural pen from the Eternal Architect’s mighty finger, and attempt to re-craft His preeminent design. The Church is certainly operated by imperfect people but its inception and directive stands most holy as crafted by a perfect God. Bethel (Vallotton) move to support a “R&D” culture by referencing a slew of Old Testament characters who proved “fallible”. Yet, Bethel forgets, or has not properly studied, that we do not live in the age of Law like these men and women but have received the progressive revelation of Christ’s incarnation, death, burial, resurrection, and institution of the Church, with the Holy Spirit who sanctifies us, and provides clear documented biblical principles to guide us. Thus, although our natural sin nature may be “fallible” like our Old Testament counterparts, through grace we can receive freedom from these carnal propensities, and the Church itself is to be led by those being sanctified unto the specific promises and purposes of this age of grace (c.f. Rom 5:1-5; Rom 8:26-30; Rom 12:1-2; 2 Cor 4:7-10; 2 Cor 5:17; Eph 2:1-10; Eph 4:17-32).

The most basic error of the Word of Faith movement (which attempts to add personal revelation atop what is already completed in Scripture) is that it places fallible human opinion atop perfected divine truth. Usually when a man or woman claims to have, “A Word from the Lord” he/she presupposes himself as divinely inspired. Whenever he or she claims, “A dream to be divine” He says in essence, “The bible is not enough” or, “Although Paul says ‘Scripture is adequate,’ I’ve still got a little bit more.” And, this has no decent ending resolve. See the passages listed below. The bible speaks of itself and says clearly, “I am enough. I am complete.” In fact, it warns all men from daring to add or delete even one word (Matt 16:18; Eph 2:19-20; 2 Tim 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20-21; Rev 22:18-22).


“We really think it’s important to give people the freedom to disagree with what we teach or practice without feeling like they are being disloyal or dishonoring. We have strong feelings about certain subjects that are even contrary to what some of our good friends believe. But we don’t want to be right at the expense of being together. If Jesus only had relationships with people who were doctrinally perfect… I’d be the only one he’d hang out with (smile face).” – Vallotton

The statement, “We do not want to be right at the expense of being together,” appears gracious to the one who accepts that there is no clear right. This is modernism, pluralism, and often taught by Oprah and her friends. But, to the man who trusts that Christ, and His Word, present a clear (and literal) right, and that this clear right is what leads a lost sinner away from darkness and into light, he will naturally conclude that speaking forth this right, and speaking against wrong, is not only a necessary thing, but the most loving thing. This is the definition of Christ’s, “Narrow Road” and is the model of the apostles. Yes, the bible clearly presents that Jesus healed the hurting and took time for the doctrinally lost but it is equally clear that Jesus had judgment reserved for the “doctrinally able” who twisted and perverted spiritual doctrines to their own ends. His indictment on the Pharisee will make any knee tremble. His curse upon Bethsaida will make any jaw clench. Paul, Peter, and Jude spend chapters of their letters calling the church to protect itself from error. Thus, if a man accepts Christ as Lord and His Word as the complete authority for Christian living and conduct in the Church, secondary differences may be patiently navigated between Christian brothers. However, if one attempts to diminish the inerrancy, authority, or sufficiency of Christ’s plan as presented through Holy Scripture, takes advantage of the sheep within a congregation, or elevates their own status over Christ as Lord and Master, there is ample biblical support for “not being together for the sake of being right” (Luke 11:39-44, Luke 12:52-53, 2 Tim 4:3-5, 2 Peter 2:1-2, Jude 1:17-18).


“Some write about me, Bill Johnson or Bethel Church as if we were the originators of the idea that Christians should have a supernatural lifestyle. This is comical to me. People will often write something like, “Bill Johnson says,” and then go on to quote the Bible word for word. For example, it was Jesus who said, “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved…these signs will accompany those who have believed in My name: they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover,” (Mark 16:16-18). The exhortation, command and commission to do miracles, heal the sick and cast out demons is all throughout the New Testament. A supernatural lifestyle is articulated, demonstrated and replicated by Jesus and the apostles, as well as everyday believers from the book of Matthew to the book of Revelation…Yet some Christians choose to live with less than Jesus paid for, and that is their prerogative…” – Vallotton

The New Testament provides the inerrant account of Christ’s life on earth along with His miraculous signs specifying Him as Messiah. It also provides testimony of those whom He designated as apostles, who would join Him working miracles testifying to the inception of the Church age. This period is often termed the Apostolic Age. To be an Apostle during the Apostolic Age, there were three basic requirements (see ref. below). Firstly, a man must have been an eyewitness of Christ. Secondly, he must have been appointed by Christ. Finally, his work was to be authenticated by signs. To the contrary of Bethel’s statement, this was not a commission given to “Everyday believers” nor were these apostolic furtherances even mentioned in any of the Prison or Pastoral Epistles of Paul. For a more comprehensive understanding of how Bethel misuses the Book of Acts see The Errors of Bethel & Jesus Culture Part 2 HERE.

Based on biblical truths agreed to by fundamental, liberal, and even many renewal theologians, the apostolic period ended with the death of the Apostle John in approximately AD100. And, the early church fathers, Clement, Ignatius, and countless others, including Augustine, Luther, Wesley, and Whitefield, for almost 1800 years termed the Apostolic Era finished. It was not until the early twentieth century that any “evangelical” would attempt to reinstate it. These “ministries” claim a position that ended with the early church, and claim a designation that even the early church Fathers, closest to the original disciples, dared not maintain! We live in the post Apostolic Age, and the qualifications of the apostles, including their eyewitness accounting, appointment, and normative authenticating signs of miracle, have ceased to be possessed by any one man or any one ministry. This does not mean that God ceases to conduct miracles, through prayer, in unique situations. It does mean that the “Office” or “Authority” of any one human to conduct these miracles at-will has concluded. [For the sake of clarity, I’ll repeat this statement, “Historically, the cessation of sign gifts is not the cessation of miracles, but of any one man to operate those miracles at will.] Based on this, we must be ever vigilant when a church, denomination, or sect, attempts to utilize apostolic vernacular or usher normative sign gifts upon the body.

All of this concludes that any regular “sign” or “wonder” of today consists of one (or more) of the following elements: 1) An emotional or para-psychological response, prompting one feel better for a short time 2) Trickery and manipulation, wherein a leader stages or poses healings to gain followers or income 3) Demonic activity, that does assist in healing the body and further propagates the lie of a false prophet, as he destroys the soul. Kris Vallatton, Bill Johnson, Heidi Baker, Benny Hinn, Todd White, C. Peter Wagner, and any man who claims the mantle of “Apostle” and thinks of himself as a modern Peter, Paul, James, or John, is not only misguided, He is opposing two millennia of church history. And, when these men attempt to sell the “apostolic” privilege to others, as these men do, they are leading people astray.

Finally, the statement that, “Some Christians choose to live with less than Jesus paid for” is the quintessential line of a False Prophet. It assumes that there is, “Hierarchy” in faith and that some Christians receive the “in” on God’s blessing while other are “stuck out in the cold of their faithless existence.” It assumes that this leader with the “in” can help others get “in”. We’ve explained this gnostic heresy in our book, Defining Deception. Peter explained that it is greed which drives such teaching (2 Peter 2:3, Jude 1:16). To state that the atoning sacrifice of Jesus on the cross is more meaningful for one than another, based on earthly profit or benefit, is to diminish the very substitute itself. How dare any man say such a thing?

One need not think long before discovering the weakness in this position. Why is it that those with the supposed “in” still get sick? Still die? Often lose all their money? Often blow up their marriages? The simple fact that Oral Roberts, Smith Wigglesworth, and Aimee Semple all lost their ministry, money, and died is ample evidence that faith doesn’t equate to health, wealth, and longevity. And, the historic (and continuing) thread of Christian martyrs, who have died, died young, and died in disrepute, unknown by earth but made famous in heaven, is the greatest proof that faith often comes with greater suffering not greater surplus. It is either insecurity or demonic dread that prompts any man build a ministry on, “hierarchy” stating that they have a special “in” or “anointing” or “Power” than those that follow. Bethel has taken a step further, conducting a school for innocent young people, immersing them in this deception. What must their secret club meetings be like? Who can ever attain their supernatural level? Jesus tore down the veil and those lies saying, “Truly I say to you, unless you change and become like children, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt 18:3, Mat 10:1, Acts 10:41-42, Mark 10:14-15).


Then there is the infamous gold dust; again the phenomenon comes and goes. The first time I ever witnessed this myself was at a MorningStar conference more than fifteen years ago. The speaker released the “glory of God” in the room, and suddenly gold dust appeared on everyone’s face and hands…But the truth is, I really don’t know why these things happen. Therefore, I do think feathers and gold dust qualify as “wonders.”… One of the manifestations that has been most offensive to people is something we call “holy laughter.” This condition occurs when, for no obvious reason, people just begin to laugh hysterically as if they are drunk. Some laugh so hard that they literally fall on the ground… Again, I have never experienced this condition myself, but I have carried my wife out of several meetings when she was so “spiritually drunk” that she couldn’t walk. Weird you say? Yeah, I agree, it looks that way to me too. I love what Angela Monet said, “those who danced look quite insane to those who didn’t hear the music.” I think this quote applies here.” – Vallotton

Firstly, the doxa glory of God is not glitter. In Scripture, those who encounter the glory of God fall to their faces in fear. Secondly, Jesus Christ came and walked earth as the glory of God. Secondly, the apostle Paul and (Angela Monet) seem to clearly disagree. Angela apparently wishes the church to look insane while Paul wrote clearly that the church would contain order and truth that would prompt the unbeliever to be, “Convicted by all… so that he would fall on his face and worship God, declaring that God is certainly among you.” Chaos does not convict sinners of God’s truth, the prophetic (spoken forth) Word given in order does! In this article, I refuse to give glitter clouds, feathers, or church drunkenness further writing time. It’s chaos. It’s been around for many years in different forms, and it’s not of the Lord. I do not have time nor space here to examine Bethel’s ministry of “Grave Sucking” nor their new “Prophecy of the Tattoo” ministry, dead-raising team, healing rooms, post-tribulationalism, nor the fact that their youth frolic through tunnels of fire in orgie like induced euphoria. Come, please leaders of Bethel! Please consider your own families! You’ve allowed your wives mimic alcoholism, a sin that has destroyed hundreds of millions of lives and is clearly against Scriptural mandate (Eph 5:18). And, you now publicize that the Holy Spirit wants your family this way. Repent while there’s still time (Ex 33:20, John 1:14, 1 Cor 14:23-25, 40).


Again, it’s very hard to attribute this to Satan when the fruit of this manifestation is always positive in the people having the experience… Could it be the devil? If it is the devil, he is doing a wonderful job of helping people get closer to God. In almost every case where people have been “slain in the Spirit” they report being more convinced than ever of God’s love for them.” – Vallotton

One of the pragmatic proofs used by ecstasy-based religions is “feeling” as conceptual evidence of it’s impact. [Evidence of this is confirmed by how people utilize their “experience” to rebut the truths of this piece] It is remarkable, in fact, that Bethel focuses such inordinate amount of time on mystical experience, that there is very little, if any, doctrinal teaching about Christ at all. This is seen in Bethel’s assessment that, “They report being more convinced than ever of God’s love for them.” The obvious question here is, “Has Bethel not heard that ‘Satan disguises himself as an angel of light?'” (2 Cor 11:14)

Based on his words, I will suppose that Bethel’s leaders (and Mr. Vallotton himself) hold 1 John 4 & 5 as an arm’s length proof text that, “Feelings of God’s love equate to proper spiritual practices”. I’ll agree that the love of God is a central joy in the relationship with Christ and fellowship within a local church. But, allow me to show that it is NOT the only evidence of proper doctrine nor application within the church.

Notice contextually, that in 1 John 4 & 5 the apostle John references God’s love repeatedly but goes on to explain the “evidences” of any man “convinced” of God’s love for him. God’s love prompts that the individual accept Christ as Lord (4:2), God’s love is then evidenced when the individual loves others (4:8), God’s love is then evidenced when the individual accepts and obeys God’s commandments without burden (5:3), God’s love is then evidenced when the individual refrains from habitual sin (5:18), and God’s love is evidenced when the individual no longer holds any idols (5:21).

Therefore, being convinced of God’s “love” is not near enough evidence. Muslims believe in love, Jews believe in love, even Buddhists, and Hindus believe in love. Some of them even in love from God. The evidence of whether a person is truly called by Christ unto salvation comes following this reflective “convincing” of God’s love through the determined response to 1) adore Christ, 2) love others, 3) obey Scripture, 4) turn from sin, and 5) lay down all idols! I would recommend Bethel assess if this is happening to all those being, “slain in the spirit.” For it is my continual experience that those who grow to true depths in God’s grace are not at all interested in an emotional pulpit show, have no desire to have glitter dumped on them, and do not wish to leave church feeling inebriated. They can easily receive that Monday-Friday at a club or bar. Real Christians attend church to “grow in the knowledge of their Lord and Savior and to know Him and His sufferings, knowing that these light and temporary troubles are storing up for them a glory that outweighs them all” (2 Cor 4:17).


As we’ve seen, Bethel holds a theology that: 1) Maintains new revelation 2) Is willing to unite with virtually anyone 3) Claims to operate as Apostles 4) Conducts worship outside biblical directive and order 5) Claims emotion as evidence of its veracity. Any one of these issues is error, all combined it is frightening. This stance against biblical authority and biblical methodology is not Christian orthodoxy.

People will ask why it is necessary to take time to point out the errors of another. My answer is simply that, “The Bible commands it.” Paul was clear that there are times when error must be clearly specified. The American church has a lost sense of conviction because it does not operate precisely as the Bible commands.

Much of Paul’s final letter before death, 2 Timothy, was regarding false teaching. Paul commands young Timothy to, “Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not need to be ashamed, accurately handling the word of truth.” (2 Timothy 2:15) The key word is “ashamed.” Shame is the painful feeling that rises from an awareness of having done something dishonorable. Anyone who “teaches falsely” will be ashamed when they meet God. It does not matter how many degrees on the wall, or how many people in the seats, or how passionately they believed what they said. If they have mishandled the Word of God, they will be ashamed.

Paul goes on to say that there’s one way to avoid being ashamed. You must, “Be diligent” and “Accurately handle” the Word of truth. In modern english we would say it this way, “Work with maximum effort to cut a straight line when you’re studying, teaching, and preaching.”

Much of what pretends to be, “Bible” and, “Church” and, “Preaching” today actually is not. Therefore, to help others avoid shame on the final day, and to protect even one sheep from being led astray, “truth in love” mandates clarity and boldness, regarding what is clearly unscriptural. As it relates to Bethel, the sword of the Word of God must be taken out of its scabbard. May true followers of Christ delete the music, set down the books, avoid the school, and lovingly steer others from anathema.

The preceding was written for the theological clarity and intended use of Mission Bible Church in Tustin, CA. To email the author directly, email 

379 thoughts on “Errors of Bethel & Jesus Culture

  1. It saddens me to read this. This place has been home to me. I got healed,restored and my relationship with Jesus is better than ever before after attending Bethel and being in the school of ministry. Anyway my point is not that. I just see a lot of criticism and judgementalism here and it’s totally heartbreaking. Please my dear brothers and sisters in Chrisy, let’s all love one another. Isn’t that what Jesus commanded us to do?
    Yes,maybe we don’t agree with what someone or a ministry is doing but as long as lives are being saved,let’s celebrate that. The world has enough judgemental people,let’s all be ambassadors of love.
    I’m not as much as a bible scholar like most of you here but in all my simple understanding of the Word and being in a relationship with Jesus and the Holy Spirit, I think love is the essential. All of us here got saved because of a Savior who loves us and gave Himself for us, so let’s all love one another.
    People are being killed here just because they believe in Jesus(I am a missionary in India)I think all Christians should stand together United because I believe that is the heart of our Father.
    So please,let’s love one another. I hope my post doesn’t offend anyone and I’m sorry if it did, I was just hurt reading this article.

      1. Seek the holy spirit and belief in God for something Supernatural do it in private and see what happens don’t go into a private Place full of doubt and anger but going to a private place of worship with God full of Hope and really see what happens

    1. There is a lot here to think about.

      Knowing that Jesus is the truth, it is very important to me to find what the truth is, and to compare everything to Jesus’ standards in the end.
      There are valid things in each of these points, it seems. But there are also misconceptions that blur the conversation. Read on after the main point if you want to see an example of how I may have come to this (though its probably presumptuous to think anyone would care that much!).

      In the end, it is really strong to say the those in Bethel are not even your brothers. As a church, they may be wrong in some things, and may dance along the line of Holy Spirit and fabrication, but as long as in their heart they have the core belief in Jesus and what He did, and what that means, and as long as they trying to pursue Jesus and His Will, even if they mess up and if the way they do it is different than ours, yours, or mine, God will work through them, and work to perfect them by teaching them truth. Wow, He is so amazing! We should constantly compare what we see, do, and practice with the scriptures so that God can teach us and use us to help each other, our fellow brothers and sisters, from falling off the path God has put us all on, wherever their weak points are. Bethel may need our help in keeping them from missing God’s will by getting lost in the emotions or expectations or whatever their weaknesses are, but we should not give up on them! God hasn’t yet! No One church has it all figured out, and my church may be learning something different than what yours or Bethel needs to learn. We need to work together, with God!
      I hope that you can share your wisdom with those in Bethel, in a way that illuminates truth about God but with gentleness and respect. And as you gently instruct, I hope you would be at least a little open to the idea that they may have some things right, and if they don’t, maybe at least having a civil conversation with them about God may teach you something more about God.


      A non-specific example (I could have done any of the points),but lets take the first part of #3.

      It is definitely true that “the cessation of sign gifts is not the cessation of miracles, but of any one man to operate those miracles at will” and I agree that something where “men attempt to sell the “apostolic” privilege to others” would certainly be an act of Satan “leading many astray.”

      Expecting miracles in and signs the way one might use a formula, and expecting them on demand is dangerous practice. Because I’m sure that the devil can be very convincing! He is the master of lies and disguises himself as an angel of light, as you said, and it is probably easy to fall into a place where you can’t interpret what is the Holy Spirit and what is demons in disguise. And we cannot predict how the Holy Spirit will act– He is likely to act at times and in ways we would not expect, as God’s mind is higher than ours! Its nice that there are some guidelines in the Bible, and it would stand to reason that the more time we spend with Him, the more we know His Will and His Voice (“my sheep will know my voice”).

      But it is not clear to me, that the Bethel people think that there is an Apostolic privilege as you are describing it. The post from Bill quotes “it was Jesus who said, “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved…these signs will accompany those who have believed in My name: they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover” from Mark. This passage does not say those who are my Apostles will have signs, but rather those who have believed my name– opening signs to anyone who believes Jesus. Perhaps claiming that only Apostles have this connection is constraining to how the Holy Spirit wants to move. At the same time it would be ridiculous to think that the Holy Spirit would work the very same here, in a completely different time, place and context, than it worked in Acts.

      Maybe I just don’t know enough about Bethel and what they claim, but from this article at least it did not seem that the Bethel people were claiming to be “Apostles” exactly, at least not in the way you’ve defined it. But lets say that they did call themselves that– and lets say that this claim is ludicrous, as you have explained– would this affect Jesus’ love for them? Because I think if they were to say: Jesus saved me from my sins, and I can be with God forever in heaven because of his sacrifice, so now I want to know Him. I am going to follow Him, and learn about Him and praise Him every way I can and be his apostle and be a witness for Him, and do the things He wants me to do (when he wants me to do them). If they were to say that, even if their use of the word “apostle” was wrong, I don’t think God would condemn them. For those who believe in Jesus, there is NO condemnation! Wow! What freedom! Hopefully God would tell them of their error, but I don’t know if an article like this would really work as a way to show them their error.

      1. How do you or would you explain Matthew 24? Where Christ says people will tell him “Lord did we not do miracles in Your name?” and Christ responds “depart from me your workers of iniquity, I never knew you!”

        Please elaborate. This verse talks about those who clearly believe they are Christian,etc. Yet Christ condemns these people in this verse.

        Simply saying ” I believe in Jesus” is not enough, what Jesus or Christ do you believe in? Is it the man anointed by God that Bill Johnson preaches? Is it a “holy spirit” that makes Heidi Baker writhe on the floor? What spirit are you following after- one that you can summon, or a Holy God that isn’t something that is conjured, that cannot stand sin, that demands respect.

        I think the line between regular Christians and Johnson/NAR is pretty clear. Both will say “I love Jesus” but at the end the NAR adherents think they possess some form of the godhead living inside of them, they have taken verses in scripture out of context, and believe they are part of God or can command His power at will. We cannot do this. Nowhere in Scripture is this modeled. Jesus was speaking directly to the 12 Apostles when He said “in my name you will,” not to the entire body of Christ. And in 2,000 years of church history, no one has been like any of the 12. Can we ask God to heal us? Sure. Can He? Sure, he is God. But that is a lot different than “decreeing and declaring” something. When you cross that line you walk into a place where you consider yourself harnessing the power of God.

        Jesus’ message was NEVER about harnessing the power of God. NEVER! He spoke of repentance and turning away from sin. In Acts, the disciples start by preaching Joel – repentance and salvation through Christ Jesus… They didn’t talk about “walking out your God given gifts” no. ZERO. Paul states the greatest thing is love, not prophecy or other things. Prophecy in Scripture isn’t future – foretelling like a seance session either. It is declaring who Christ was and is. All Prophecy in Scripture points to Him. The few “future predictions” are usually quite gloomy and deal with people needing to repent (really do your own study). It isn’t what you find in places like Bethel.

    2. I agree we should all love one another in the name of Jesus! He is the reason we need to be caring for everyone and share love every where in his name. Thank you for what you are doing! Your right Bethel is a Wonderful church and it has more Holy Spirit there than any where else I’ve ever been. Don’t ever let the devil take a moment away from our Lord, becauseThey should all belong to our King Jesus Christ and The devil worshippers are the ones writing this negative stuff we shouldn’t even bother to read. Don’t even listen to it, we are above it! God Bless You and Happy New Year!!
      Best Regards, Catrina

      1. “Bethel is a Wonderful church and it has more Holy Spirit” What Bethel for sure has is the evil spirit!

      2. No. Sorry the people I know who go there, (and I was part of their sister church) are lost sheep. They want power, they want “more.” They don’t look at the sin in their hearts. They want magic and signs and wonders. The fruit of the Spirit is not prophecy or tongues or holy laughter. The fruit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and SELF-CONTROL. The people I know who go there live unbiblically, they chase after signs and wonders, they have experiential theology, and many of them are homeless because of chasing ministers around the country to “catch the glory cloud.” God is not a feeling or a warm fuzzy. The people I knew in this movement were porn addicts, had family issues, health problems, didn’t live biblically AT ALL. Yet their supposed gift of prophecy at the churches never pointed out their sin, they just encouraged them that they were special snowflakes.


    3. Why should I love you or call you a sister? I don´t even know you. I´m in Europe and you´re in America. But what we both know, is this movement of Bethel and we experienced things of it personally. This leader of Bethel´s Healing Rooms was in our city. This man is a fake and he is really very convinced about himself. And the worst thing: NO REAL HEALINGS! But he counted more than hundred. And all were just those kind of, that no one sees. A lady in a wheel chair stayed there. A friend with a destroyed leg kept it. So why do you try to manipulate with this word “love” and “brothers and sisters”? I do not know who your Jesus is. 2.Cor.11,4 For if someone comes and proclaims a Jesus other than the One we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit than the One you received, or a different gospel than the one you accepted, you put up with it way too easily. Hebr. 5,14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained their sensibilities to distinguish good from evil. So you see: False Jesus, false Gospel, False Spirit and untrained sensibilities to distinguish. Guess, where that leads to! So just stop crying and go and read your bible, especially those scriptures that are not taught at Bethel!

      1. I was healed at Bethel over 12 years ago from hypoglycemia-wasn’t faking it then, am not faking it now. I was born into a Mormon family, saved at a young age from that and into Jesus, grew up Presbyterian, AG, went to Lutheran VBS, went to reformed high school, went to a Pentecostal church, a non denominational church, a Covenant church and currently pastoring alongside my husband at a Foursquare church. One thing I know-Mormonism is a cult and from the devil. Bethel, is not. I have been a part of so many genuine Christian streams-stop ripping the body of Christ apart. It’s repulsive. Even to Mormons!! They look at us and wonder why we are so divided!! It’s ridiculous. The world will know we know Jesus partly by our love for one another! That doesn’t mean only your little stream who agrees with all your organized doctrine. I have Mormon family who desperately needs Jesus and real understanding of the Word…reading this blog, they would want nothing to do with us (Christians). Leave it to the liberal media to tear us apart…why are we doing it to each other? So we believe some different things…it’s the essentials that matters. Jesus saved me when he died for me and rose again. He is the King for all eternity and He is coming back again for a Bride who has made herself ready.

    4. Praying your eyes will be opened. It didn’t take me long before my eyes were opened. Bethal has moved into our communities. So many people are searching and just want to be accepted. It didn’t take us long to realize something wasn’t right. I pray that God will open up the Christian’s hearts and they intervene. The people don’t know what there being sucked into. God please protect your people. Thank you Lord for opening up our eyes and getting us out of there. God will defeat Satan. God’s people read his word only!!! THE BIBLE!!!

    5. Allie, the whole point of this article is to say that, NO, Love is NOT all of “what Jesus commanded us to do”. TRUTH, full, complete Biblical TRUTH is the bottom line for Jesus, and those who follow Him.
      I would recommend that you BECOME a “bible scholar”, because following a false gospel will NOT end well.
      Within the context of this article, many scripture references are provided. Unlike Bethels teachings, this author PROVES his point with the Word of God…
      “For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.”
      ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4:12‬ ‭NASB‬‬
      Without knowing God’s Word, you risk eternity.
      Sister, your comment alone, proves this article to be correct. Bethel is not teaching the Bible.

      1. Kim, I AM what’s a considered a bible scholar. I have a degree in biblical literature, pastored, preached and taught for 35 years. I highly doubt you’re ever read a single book written by Bill or Kris or any of the other pastors there. They are filled with biblical references. You’re free to disagree. But I will tell you this, there are plenty of people preaching the non-charismatic gospel message who have it wrong too. I’m not going to get into the theology of it here with you now. There are more than sufficient numbers of non-miracles happening in churches like Bethel. A non-miracle being simple a praying for a miracle where none happens. But guess what, Kim…there are plenty of non-miracles happening in non-charismatic churches too…meaning people are praying for things that God says no to.

        I simply ask this: would you rather pray fervently and passionately for God to do this or that and it not happen or would you rather just not have the faith at all that God would care to hear some a cry and hear and act on your behalf.

        One person pointed to the passage in the Bible where it speaks of those who say to God at the throne that they cast out demons in His name and healed the sick and so on. And he sends them away…not for doing such things, but for not knowing Him…knowing…intimately knowing…not just intellectually knowing. But there is another passage where He condemns those didn’t feed the hungry or clothe the naked because they just didn’t see that in doing so they were doing so to Christ unaware.

        The mistakes happen on both ends of the spectrum. The right way is usually something in between. In this case, it is to definitely heal the sick and cast out demons, but to do so from a place of personal and intimate knowledge of God. And we’re to feed the hungry and clothe the naked as well, not because we’re such amazing humanitarians but because we do so from a saving grace-filled heart for Christ.

        For me, the lesson to be learned here is not to become so theologically sophisticated that we lose sight of eternal life (John 17:3)…and not to become so fervent in our search for God in His glory that we lose sight of Him in our hearts.

    6. Understand that it is not criticism nor judgmental to speak the truth of God’s word against what is being passed for truth but is false, it is correction using the word of God the Bible. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness – 2 Timothy 3:16. You see Christians are commanded to use Bible doctrine to rebuke and correct. You cannot simply have all ‘love’ but no truth because that is not real love. Jesus spoke the truth and corrected wrong doctrine as well as Paul and the rest of the apostles to thousands and it most likely hurt or didn’t feel good BUT God commands us to ‘test all things’.

      Jesus command us to love one another AND to uphold the true faith. Love means speaking the truth because many thing they are in the way but are believing lies and they will die the second death which is worse than physical death of which you speak.

      1. What you fail to realize is that the pastoral staff at Bethel do rebuke and correct false doctrine. Just as I rebuked and corrected the writer of this very article. Throughout the entirety of reading comments about this article nowhere did I see any of the people like you doing that to this author. And yet he so very clearly made several mistakes both biblically and logically.

        Here’s but one example: in his third point about Apostolic ministry, the author brings up three requirements to being an Apostle…1) he must have been an eyewitness of Christ, 2) appointed by Christ & 3) shown by things he’s done to be empowered. While I can see where point one came from (Acts 1 – the appointment of Matthias as Judas’ replacement, I can’t, for the life of me figure out where he got the other two requirements. In fact, any reading of Acts 1 would instantly reject the second requirement since there is no evidence that Christ personally appointed Matthias to be Judas’ replacement. The choice to narrow it down to Barsabas and Matthias seemed purely to be an act of Peter’s leadership, not some inspiration form Scripture. Just because, in praying, he declared that they were chosen by Christ for this apostleship doesn’t met Christ did. In fact, if the author’s conclusions are correct, by Peter’s prayer, BOTH Barsabas and Matthias should have been appointed Apostles, since according to Peter, they were both chosen by Christ Himself. In fact, the method by which Peter and the disciples decided upon Matthias is rather intriguing.

        First, the entire decision to even replace Judas was based upon his Holy Spirit inspired understanding of one of the Psalms. Secondly, he pulled the idea that Judas’ replacement must be someone who’d been with them since the beginning, out of seemingly thin air. There was nothing specific in the Psalm that the replacement should be someone only who’d witnessed Christ. After praying about it and receiving no direct answer, they resorted to a simple game of chance…they cast see who should be THE one.

        So, in summary, Peter was inspired by reading one of the Psalms to replace Judas. By some unexplained inspiration he then decided this person should be someone who’d been with them since the beginning. Then, while praying about it he acknowledged both men were chosen by Christ to be Apostles. Despite this, Peter went on to decide which of the two should actually be appointed to replace Judas…by casting lots…a game of chance. Apparently, praying didn’t reveal which one Christ wanted replacing Judas.

        No, the only logical way to read this passage is as an event specifically designed to describe the replacement of Judas, NOT the prescription for deciding who could or could not be named as Apostles. The convincing argument against this being some dictate from God about who qualifies as an Apostle lay in Paul, the Apostle. How could Paul qualify? He was not with Christ from the beginning. You could argue that he witnessed the resurrected Christ…but he certainly was not with Christ from the beginning.

        Some have rightly pointed out that nowhere in Luke’s account of the Acts of the Apostles is there any indication of Paul being legitimately appointed as an Apostle of Christ. Yet, Paul writes many times in his epistles that he was, indeed, an Apostle appointed by Christ. So do we accept the author’s argument that Apostles must have been with Christ from the beginning or do we accept Paul’s words as divinely inspired that he was, indeed, appointed an Apostle? Though it does say something that the book is called the Acts of the Apostles…and the vast majority of those acts were of Paul. So apparently Luke considered Paul an Apostle.

        However, many of the early church fathers, including Justin Martyr, Papias and others refused to ever even quote any of Paul’s writings. Even though it was clear they knew about them.

        Tertullian points out in his writings that there seems to be acceptance of Paul as something of a lesser Apostle as he submitted his doctrines to the original Apostles for their approval. This would seem to separate original apostles from other Apostles. This would make sense as to how the modern apostolic movement sees themselves. They do believe in revelation from God, but acknowledge that all such revelation must be subject to the greater revelation of Scripture.

        My conclusion is this: either Paul’s proclamation of his Aposteship is self-appointed or he was appointed by Christ, as he claims. If so, then his appointment would contradict Acts 1 and the supposed dictates of God as to who would qualify as an apostle. Or Acts 1 would mean his self-proclamation was not divinely inspired. If not divinely inspired, then how can those proclamations legitimately be included in the Bible…the inspired word of God? Thus, since the inspired Word of God could never contradict itself, the only rational conclusion is that Acts 1 is merely the event of the replacing of Judas and not a dictate as to who would ultimately be qualified to be appointed by Christ as an Apostle…or we must reject the Pauline writings in total, since his self-proclamation would be all the evidence we’d need that his writings are not divinely inspired.

        The bible clearly says that things like healing the sick and casting out demons shall follow those who believe…not just the Apostles. Sending out the 70 proved this as not all 70 were remotely considered Apostles. Ephesians 4 proclaims that the office of apostles is simply one of five such ‘offices’ within the Church. And considering the actually meaning of the word “apostolos” as ones “sent out” it would imply simply that the office of apostles is related to those sent out, as in, for example, missionaries, though not necessarily foreign missionaries.

    7. Have had two acquaintances for 15 years who have tried to rope us into attending Bethel in NZ. They are so obviously out of balance and gullible that we would never go along. In Fiji now for missions work and have been in shared prayer work with two Betlelites who qualify as totally deceived half-truthers. My advice? Stay away from this bunch and never recommend them to anyone, especially to new believers.

    8. Hi Allie
      I believe this article was written by its author out of love for those that he believes have strayed from the truth in the Word of God. Paul tells us to correct others in the church by comparing it against the Word, and he is doing that out of love.
      This wasn’t necessarily written for other skeptics of the movement so they can hate it more, this was written for skeptics to be encouraged, and for those who are part of the movement to be swayed and convinced otherwise.
      Christians should be standing united, I 10000% agree, but that also means encouraging other believers to walk in the true light of Christ. This article was written for those the author believes are going astray, and I think that is completely fine.
      God Bless 🙂

    9. I agree that love is a monumental staple in the eyes of Christ. However, Christ also corrected people who were doing wrong. (John 4 1-25, John 8 1-11) Don’t skew love with tolerance. Tolerance has been spread through Western culture as a form of love but it is detrimental to society. We MUST correct when things are being done incorrectly with grace and understanding. Christ never pointed a finger at anyone but he did show them another way. This article is trying to do this for you. Showing you the inaccuracies of their teachings. Christ compels us to answer this call. Jesus never tolerated sin. He died for it. I pray that you see that I am typing this in love and not to criticize or judge.

      1. This article does 2 things. 1 it exposes some false teachings that emanate from Bethel. 2. It introduces some errors of it’s own.

    10. Have you ever read the epistles? It doesn’t matter what you think! Or I for that matter! It matters what God’s word says, Paul was clear how important doctrine is, right doctrine, so is John,James, Peter, Jude, and ESPECIALLY Jesus. Live was never to be at the cost of throwing out doctrine, in fact Paul constantly talks about casting out those who will not reticent of their sin.

      You are printing ecumenical, something Bethel pushes heavily, which cannot be reconciled with scriptures, period. Christ died for us and lived us that way as sinners John 3:16 & Romans 5:8 couldn’t be more clear on that. But Christians tend to conveniently ignore Hebrews 12:3-17, such tells us of God’s live is expressed through discipline. Did it ever occur to you that that is what you are experiencing? If you are a true believer. Bethel very rarely says anything doctrinally correct, or anything that could be considered Christian. Saying Jesus and gospel doesn’t mean a thing, the Mormons to the same and they believe they’ll be a God on their own planet someday and that Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers(and we are spirit brothers with them), and that God only b picked the cross because Jesus’ pan was better than Satan’s. But they constantly refer to ‘the gospel’, ‘atonement’, and ‘Jesus Christ’, but their Jesus is not THE Jesus and neither is Bethel or any other NAR affiliated teacher, ‘prophet’, or ‘apostle’.

      I would much rather tear down a deceived believer as the apostles did then let them live in a lie as I did and deceive others as I did, and as a result, likely bled some people to how. How on earth is that living? It’s not. If Jesus had the attitude of ‘let’s all get along’, Paul would NOT have become Paul, he would not have had the Damascus Road experience, and likely would have continued stoning Christians.

      May God save you from your deception, as he did me.

    11. It is true that we should all reach out in a loving manner in all things. But as christians we are warned and comanded even to test the Spirits.. I am Gods child and God has made me. I love all but In love if I beleave someone is following something that is not of God. Then in love I will try to confront them about it if thats is what God wants me to do at that time. Ie if I were to do nothing knowing or beleaving that a brother or sister was being led astray, then that is not love. But yes I whole heartedly agree that we should reach out in love the love that Jesus teaches us. God bless you.

    12. Allie, I feel your pain. It is horrible, but true. It’s not about their salvation. They disobeyed God’s clear Word, and just like Saul have come under demonic influence which has blinded and deceived them -making them a tool of Satan, very sadly. They have stepped out of God’s clear will and will suffer severe shipwreck. I love them as people, but they block souls from Christ by preaching a false Gospel. Anathema. Repent from them and their sin, God is calling you out from among them. Blessings, and peace in Christ.

  2. The Church I go to in Kent England has links with Bethel Redding California.
    I posted something on my main facebook page warning them about Bethel Redding California but some of them from the Church did not like it so I took it off my main facebook page.
    Now I have a new page calld Writer Writing And Articles. Some of the Writing is about false Christian doctrines and some of the articles from the internet are about about false Christian doctrines.
    The link to my facebook page is below.

  3. Have you ever attended bethel church? Or even listened to more than one teaching? They CONSTANTLY bring evidence using scripture in their teachings. Please, in layman’s terms, don’t diss it till you try it. Your perspective is purely from ab outside looking in without having even gone there or listened to their teachings. How can you judge something or someone without even getting to know them? This attitude is what is so embarrassing about Christians. This attitude is how Christians are perceived to the rest of the world. Ignorant, judgmental before even trying something, closed off and having a huge “us and them” mentality. Wake up dude! Life and this coming generation are moving forward without this and ditching the whole religious “Christian” exclusionary judgmentalism. God and Jesus loved the whole WORLD… Everyone. And the “church” of his day, well, you know your Bible well enough to know how He spoke to them!

    Maybe even try spending some time with the holy spirit. He’ll more than likely challenge you to get outside the boxes you’ve put him snd his father and son in. Do some more research into what Jesus was trying to do… Open up God’s kingdom to EVERYONE. Not just scripture believers. And have them EXPERIENCE signs and wonders. Everyone. Not just his apostles. Read the Bible dude. In that mindset, not this closed off to more of God than you can conceive mode. Wish you the best and hope you can open yourself up to more of what God’s doing right now.

    1. Jessica, I just see a lot of criticism and judgementalism here and it’s totally heartbreaking. Please my dear sister in Christ, let’s all love one another. Isn’t that what Jesus commanded us to do?
      Yes,maybe we don’t agree with what someone or a ministry is doing but as long as lives are being saved,let’s celebrate that. The world has enough judgemental people,let’s all be ambassadors of love.

    2. Yes I have attended Bethel church and attended their women’s conference. After pleading with the Lord to show me the truth He revealed through the scriptures the apostasy and heresy. I can honestly say that only those who are biblically illiterate will fall for the lies and demonic that is going on at Bethel.

      Just because something ‘works’ is not proof of it being right. All things must be tested against the Bible scriptures and clearly there is apostasy or rather was never a Christian church to begin with since they do not adhere to Biblical Christianity. I’ve sat and listened to Bill Johnson once thinking he knew something but he is a gnostic and not a Born-Again believer and Benny Johnson and her tuning forks..seriously? Jen Johnson calling the Ruach Ha Kodesh (The Holy Spirit) her personal genie is blasphemy.

      It is quite obvious the irreverence for such a Holy God perfect and true for such activity such as ‘grave sucking’ gold glitter, rock concerts to evoke emotionalism and drunk-like behavior more like an orgy party than what Jesus who was beaten, cursed and spat on then crucified died for! NO He did not die for us to carry on as the pagans do like in Babylon (Bethel), I was there I saw it all and participated until I cam to my senses and read the truth.

      The flippancy you mistreat Jesus our Lord with like He’s your bro’ and the Holy Spirit like He’s just a dude to smoke out with is gross. Your Jesus and holy spirit are not one in the same of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Sadly you will not know this till He comes and judges with the sword of His mouth.

    3. Lets see I attended their sister church for 10 years here in Southern California. I’ve seen them speak numerous times. “They bring scriptures.” Do you realize that most of the scriptures they use to justify their odd teachings are taken entirely out of context. It is exactly the same as people who try to decontextualize the Bible and use it to support various sexualities. ZERO difference. Don’t diss it until you try it? Hmmmm so if there is rotten meat at the end of the table I try that too?

      Just saying.

    4. This shows me how truly lost you are. Do you still believe Jesus was 100% man and 100% God at the same time (the hypostatic union)? Or do you think Jesus was not God when He came to earth? Johnson teaches the latter and denies that Jesus was man and God at the same time — making everything Christ did “attainable” for us if we just use the right methods, and also denying God’s unique divinity as Christ.

      Also I went to Bethel’s sister school, there is a spirit there, but I truly believe it is a deceiving spirit that leaves people captive in their sin and unable to walk as a Christian in daily life, instead they chase after experiences.

      1. I read the bssm article. I understand 1, 4, 6, 9, and 10. But tattoo interpretation?? and making a Telephone game into prophecy?? 5 & 8 sounds like activations that a church that I have gone to would do.

      2. Other than the oddity of tattoo interpretations…tell me what exactly you have a problem with any of that. You people are sad.

  4. Well done Pastor! Thank you for clearly stating the primary points of error in the squishy post-modern statements by Bethel. Many solid and clearly articulated statements are also available for anyone who “has ears to hear and eyes to see” as to Bethel false “doctrine”, and Johnson’s patent heresy. Run from that false church and those that deceive with twisting Scripture – eternity is at stake (Matt 7:23). Johnson and crew are some of the most deceitful people I have encountered, and the poor gals (which is common) who say “try it first” are willfully ignorant and letting their itching ears lead them further astray. It is terribly sad, and yet we were repeatedly warned in Scripture about this very thing (which is a repeat of the same elements in Scripture itself). May God grant them the eyes to see clearly with His Wisdom to discern the truth. What they are missing is a high and holy view of God, instead solely taking Scripture for what it “gives” them – they miss the entire grandeur of God and the chief aim of man: to Glorify God and enjoy him forever. Biblical ignorance, lack of understanding Scripture rightly (and rightly dividing the Word) is rampant.

    1. Oh how right you are! Until we begin to comprehend the Holiness of our God we cannot begin to see how much we, as sinners before Him need the wisdom and direction in His Word. Our frailty is dependent on everything God tells us He is and until one understands there is only ONE truth and that is God’s truth
      There is no stability in anything we may choose to hold to and believe. God bless

  5. Well I didn’t have the time to ready people’s comments… But all I have to say is it is sad when Christians can go through such extent to tear down other Christians ministry … Albeit some try to do it under the coverings of .. ” oh I don’t want to judge” or “oh I prayed about this at length before I replied” but really??? Which God could you have prayed to?? Or rather which God gave u a response to cast aspersions on another’s ministry? The fact is when we pray amiss we come out of prayer with the evil and prideful intentions of our hearts that we went to prayer with. The same one that made Lucifer believe he could take over heaven. Envy. I always say the proof is In the fruits. Ifpeople are getting healed deliverance set free… Isn’t that the works that Jesus said we would do?what are the fruits of ur ministry to date?

    1. Karen, getting healed and deliverance is not FRUIT of the Holy Spirit. The fruit of the Holy Spirit, is love,joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, and SELF-CONTROL. I have personally met MANY MANY people from Bethel/Jesus Culture. My own brother goes to BSSM, and hanging out with them outside of their church or school I have not seen fruit. Some of them CUSS, get angry, joke crudely, tell me stories that relate to secure immorality, are these not the fruit of the devil? The ones that live like this will not I heritage the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19) Now Matthew 7:16 says, “you can identify them by their fruit, by the way they act.” that is in reference to false prophets. John 7:24.

      1. You will find people who “Cuss, get angry, joke crudely……..” all accross the board. You will find humans in all religions, or no religion. You will find people who are imperfect, yet still created in the image of God. Are we to continue in our sin once we have seen the error of our ways, certainly not. But, it is for freedom that we have been set free. My point is not to defend those who represent God badly, but that God is still at work in us.

      2. Callie: You forgot one of the fruits of the Holy Spirit…. love, joy, peace,patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, GENTLENESS, self control. There is a big difference between the fruit of the spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
        There are people who live upright lives in all denominations as well as those who fall short. As a member of JC I have not personally witnessed these actions in those I know and associate with but we all fall short of the glory of God which further proves our need for the work of the cross. I agree we are all a work in progress…

      3. In my 42 years of being a Christian, much of which I’ve spent in ministry and when I wasn’t in ministry, I went around to all sorts of denominations taking pictures for church directories, I’ve seen all sorts of people from all sorts of segments of the Church. And I can say with certainty that hearing people cuss or get angry or joke crudely or act immorally is not confined to one denomination. It is not even predominant in any one denomination. In pointing a finger at what you’ve seen outside BSSM you fail to realize you point 3 more fingers back at yourself.

    2. “I always say the proof is In the fruits. Ifpeople are getting healed deliverance set free… Isn’t that the works that Jesus said we would do?what are the fruits of ur ministry to date?”

      No. May I quote Matthew 7:

      21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

      The real “fruit” of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self-control. It is not signs and wonders or miracles at all. Yes God can do those things, but that is not to be our focus as Christians. It is a distraction from the true work of Christ- which is Salvation. And I know the argument is “well if they see the healings they will know God did it and praise God and get converted!” This is not the Biblical pattern though (as much as Johnson tries to argue for it). Faith comes by hearing the WORD of God- not by a healing. It comes by repentance. This is what Christ taught. Yes He healed people (to demonstrate He was the Son of God) but that isn’t the focus of His ministry on earth. His ministry was to DIE on the CROSS. Once He was resurrected and returned to Heaven, his 12 Apostles performed miracles until the written word was compiled. Since then, for 2,000 years we have had not one believer who could “at will” perform miracles in the way Christ did.

      Can God still do miracles today? Sure. But it is different if we ask Him (as modeled in Christ’s message on how to pray) than if we think we can “summon” or “command” or “decree and declare” things can happen “in his name.”

      There are many ministries that should not exist (yes I said that). They only exist because they appeal to people’s flesh. And yes, Christians can have fleshly desires as well, even if they seem innocent like “I want to do things for God,” vs “I want God to transform my wicked heart.” This movement appeals to the flesh- to the pride of ministry, of power, of being a “special snowflake” “called by God.”

      Turn now while you still can.

      1. Hello Jason,

        A thought for consideration: in John 6:60-67, Jesus has addressed His many disciples – remember there were far more than twelve which followed Him at this time. Jesus is describing to them the process of communion and what it is for in preparation for His death. In this instruction, Jesus clearly states that the work they are to do is for His glory and not their glory – this is where John 6:60-67 picks up – Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?” When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? “What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. “But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”

        So many of these unbelievers turned away from Jesus and walked with Him no more – they left Him because they did not believe. This is what Matthew 7:21-23 is referring to – those unbelievers who followed Jesus for their glory and not His. This has nothing to do with the Church and believers of Jesus Christ. Pastors are held to a higher standard because God loves His children and wants them to be instructed correctly – However, even the Pastor who is in error of Gospel teaching or instruction, who still believes and has faith in Jesus has been washed clean and is pure. True humility is the realization that we are all sinners and need a Savior and can do nothing about ourselves or our situation without Jesus. We can point out the truth, but if people aren’t willing to listen – we dust ourselves off and move on. I trust that the Holy Spirit will eventually transform them to the glory of God. Remember that God said that all the nations and all the people are like dust on the scale – we are not going to tip the balance – God is. We are used by God to reveal – God has always had the power to deal.

        Kind regards,
        J Arnn
        Jewish Studies for Christians

      2. “The real “fruit” of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, and self-control. YES. It is not signs and wonders or miracles at all. RIGHT, THESE ARE GIFTS. Yes God can do those things, but that is not to be our focus as Christians.FOCUS IS THE WHOLE WORD. It is a distraction from the true work of Christ- which is Salvation. IT ALL GOES TOGETHER And I know the argument is “well if they see the healings they will know God did it and praise God and get converted!” LIKE IN ACTS AND IN PAUL’S PREACHING. This is not the Biblical pattern though (as much as Johnson tries to argue for it). IT IS THE BIBLE PATTERN. Faith comes by hearing the WORD of God- not by a healing. AMEN! YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT. It comes by repentance. This is what Christ taught. FAITH DOES NOT COME BY REPENTANCE. BUT YOU JUST QUOTED THE BIBLE ON WHY FAITH COMES. Yes He healed people (to demonstrate He was the Son of God) NO HE DID NOT. THAT IS UNSCRIPTURAL. but that isn’t the focus of His ministry on earth. HIS FOCUS WHILE HE WAS PREACHING FOR 3.5 YEARS WAS TO HEAL. READ LUKE 4:19 His ministry was to DIE on the CROSS. THAT IS THE ULTIMATE REASON HE CAME, NOT HIS EARTHLY MINISTRY. Once He was resurrected and returned to Heaven, his 12 Apostles YOU SHOULD READ THE BIBLE AND SEE WHERE MANY OTHERS ALSO HEALED AND PERFORMED MIRACLES (BY THE HAND OF GOD) performed miracles until the written word was compiled. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO SCRIPTURE FOR THAT. THAT IS AN ERROR. Since then, for 2,000 years we have had not one believer who could “at will” perform miracles in the way Christ did.” NEITHER DID THE 12 APOSTLES “AT WILL” PERFORM MIRACLES. EVEN JESUS ONLY DID MIRACLES AS THE FATHER DIRECTED HIM. HE NEVER DID HIS OWN WILL. NEVER. NOT ONE PERSON EVER DID A REAL MIRACLE ON THEIR OWN. THE GIFTS ARE AS THE HOLY SPIRIT DIRECTS, NOT MAN. NOT EVEN PETER OR JOHN. BESIDES APOSTLE PAUL WAS NOT ONE OF THE 12.

        So having replied to your post. Let me say; there is a LOT of error in a lot of so-called charismatic circles. Some of the most ridiculous unscriptural actions ever. #1, if the lives are leading to holy living. (love, peace, joy, faith, temperance, and separation from the world) then it is not of God. Just remember, that for there to be a counterfeit, there must be a real.

  6. Notice the two main things that those in defense of Bethel and other churches teaching falsely say…”you need to just love….and don’t judge.” Evidence of how culture has crept into the church and set the new standard for how we are to rightly divide the word and hold the body accountable. If we do we are unloving or judging. ????? Kind of sounds like the world’s response when you share that..Christ is the only way to the father. Now when you try to walk the narrow way and shepherd the flock, Christian brothers and sisters accuse each other of being “unloving” or “judgmental”. The world mindset. After every single youtube video where this is being exposed people post the same thing…”you’re not being loving…you’re judging…you’re attacking their ministry”. The same words used every time!

    Thank you for standing for truth pastor. In the end that is truely loving the body of Christ. To call out error and gently restore those who are lost back into the fold.
    Matthew 7:13-29. Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are a few who find it.
    CHRIST..was very clear about who will inherit the kingdom!! Keep reading in Matthew..beware of false prophets….hearing and DOING Jesus’ teachings.
    None of anything that Jesus taught was about feelings or signs and wonders.
    It’s Daily denying self and taking up our cross, turning from sin, obeying His commands, bearing good fruit and having the fruit of the spirit.

    1. I just need to weigh in here because you are quoting scripture which was meant for the Jews of that time and not for Christian believers today. Too many times Christians do not understand the separate plans for the Jews, who denied Jesus as King/Priest and the believers who accept Jesus as Savior by faith in the sacrifice.
      1. You wrote: Matthew 7:13-29. Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are a few who find it.
      CHRIST..was very clear about who will inherit the kingdom!! Keep reading in Matthew..beware of false prophets….hearing and DOING Jesus’ teachings. Jesus goes up to a mountain with great multitudes and begins teaching to the Jew and in Matthew 7:13 He does say enter by the Strait gate (Stenos) Narrow was a poor interpretation because the Strait gate in those days was the main entrance of the sheep pen and the Shepherd enters through the strait gate not the side gate or some other method of entry. In John 10:1 “Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. What broad path was Jesus referring to? The Law, which every religious Jew stated they kept – but then Jesus told the Jews it wasnt good enough to keep the law ritualistically, but you had to keep the law morally as well. So for the Jew which was harder – to accept the law of Moses which came through Moses (the side gate) not the strait gait – or to recognize that the law would not lead the Nation of Israel to salvation but keep them under the bondage of sin unless they repented and accepted Jesus as their King/Priest whereby they would inherit the Kingdom of Heaven and the world would have been ruled from Jerusalem. Jesus, God in the flesh, knew that it would be harder for the Jewish Nation to accept him and therefore stated that it would be difficult for the Jew to enter the strait gait and that all of those who chose the law and rejected Jesus would travel down the broad path to destruction. Once you call upon the name of Jesus Christ, you have Him – you have faith – you are made righteous by God through faith in Jesus and you are His forever – you have in that split second been placed in Jesus and Jesus in you through the Holy Spirit and are no longer on the broad path to destruction and it was that easy – because it was never about you in the first place – it was about the finished works or Christ at the cross – His Faith – His Heart – His Righteousness – His Obedience to God not yours. There is a turning point in Matthew that pertains to the Christian believer but the majority of Matthew is for the Jew when Jesus was laying out His plan for the Kingdom of Heaven meant for the Jew. So for the Jew there is a distinct timeline and plan for inheriting the Kingdom of Heaven, but for the believer in Jesus Christ the salvation is instantaneous.

      2. CHRIST..was very clear about who will inherit the kingdom!! Keep reading in Matthew..beware of false prophets….hearing and DOING Jesus’ teachings. Yes it should be clear that the Kingdom of Heaven is meant for the Jew. The land has always been promised to the Nation of Israel and this is a literal kingdom with a literal throne passed through the lineage of King David. The Church has not nor ever will be the spiritual Nation of Israel. You can read Ezekiel to verify this. Also, the believers, the Church – the body of Christ – is the bride of the Bridegroom who will return with Jesus to rule during the millennial rule after the tribulation. However, many churches do not see the separate plans of God: one for the Jew and one for the believer. Most churches combine these two plans and confuse the believer.

      3. It’s Daily denying self and taking up our cross, turning from sin, obeying His commands, bearing good fruit and having the fruit of the spirit. Yes and no. It is not about denying self – it is about faith in the sacrifice and the free gift of mercy and grace that we, as believers, take from the table set before us by God. The more Christ is revealed in your life the more you are transformed by His love, mercy, power, gentleness so that you become a new creation in Christ and you leave behind the old you. Many try to deny themselves but find that they return to their ways because frankly they are human – and it happened to Moses, who under the law was denied entrance into the promised land – but was saved by the Mercy of God. Peter also returned many times to his ways but Jesus always came after him. Even in your darkest moment you are still saved and you can confess your righteousness before God – it is who you are – and Jesus will help restore you.

      Pick up your cross and follow me. Sounds good – but it conflicts with rest in my mercy and grace. What do I do? Pick up a cross or rest? Jesus uses this to demonstrate to those who would follow him for their purposes and not His to show them that if they really want to do what He is to do for all of mankind – then pick up your cross and follow me to Calvary where we will be crucified. This isnt instruction – its admonishment. Oh, you think you can do what I am going to do? You think you can be like me rather than rely on me? Then pick up your cross. This was not meant for the believer.

      turning from sin, obeying His commands, bearing good fruit and having the fruit of the spirit. Yes – we turn from sin when we keep our eyes and faith on the cross, through faith in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ our Lord and savior – not by our own efforts. Even when you sin, you are righteous in the eyes of God because you have faith and you are righteous by faith – not by deeds. Obey – when you believe in Christ Jesus, God counts you as obedient. It was about Jesus’ obedience to God not ours. If we could be obedient there would be not need for a sacrifice. Even the law doesnt make you obedient or righteous – ever break the speed limit? We are all disobedient children but are made righteous and obedient despite our behavior through faith in Jesus. Bear good fruit by having faith in Jesus and then you are one with Him attached as a branch to His Vine and then you will produce good fruit – such as obedience – love – kindness – peace – wisdom – the list goes on.

      Kind regards,
      Rabbi J Arnn
      Jewish Studies for Christians

      1. You state:
        1. “The Church has not nor ever will be the spiritual Nation of Israel.” This is wrong:

        Romans 2: 28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code.
        Romans 9:6 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel; 7 nor are they all children because they are Abraham’s [d]descendants, but: “[e]through Isaac your [f]descendants will be named.” 8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are regarded as [g]descendants.
        The Law, or the “Old Covenant” was not the first but the second; a temporary arrangement until the first covenant could be fully established Gal. 3:17. The first (New) covenant was always gentile inclusive Gen. 22:18. Everyone who believes in Christ is a descendant of Abraham, a true Jew, and a member of true Israel Gal. 3:18-29. From the very beginning it was all about the first covenant; about Christ Jesus. The physical Israel and the Law, all served to bring the promise of Christ to fruition. There is not, nor ever was, or will ever be two people(s) of God. There is one bride, one church, one body, one faith, one Lord, and one holy priestly nation in Christ Jesus Eph. 4:4-6, Both Peter and Paul used scripture from the Old Testament concerning Israel and applied it to the church 1 Peter 2:4-10. Second, your representation of the kingdom is insufficient. Jesus consistently referred to the kingdom as spiritual in nature Luke 17:20-22, John 18:36. Lastly, your statement, “Also, the believers, the Church – the body of Christ – is the bride of the Bridegroom who will return with Jesus to rule during the millennial rule after the tribulation” suggests you have a dispensationalist interpretation of eschatology. It sounds like to me that you are reading your tradition into the text.

  7. Yes, it is very strange when a person holding an outlier view is called on it, they react by saying that caller is harming the church and their loved ones. When does the exception become the rule? On the contrary, a true shepherd is the one who looks for the wolf, the outlier, and guards the sheep, the loved ones.

  8. Can you help me understand the logic behind what you mean by saying that giving words of knowledge or prophecy or wanting to know God more is in anyway not part of the bible. I also fail to find anywhere that God says we shouldn’t desire or strive to know him more. Also it seems interesting that your interpretations are the right ones but Bill Johnson’s is somehow inferior to yours. From the studies that I’ve done both in pursuit of a degree in theology and on my own show the history of the church and it’s theological thought has gone through numerous sea changes throughout time so you will need to be specific when you say that the theology you espouse dates back over 1800 years. It doesn’t. The thoughts you espouse at best date to the reformation and primarily to Calvin and Luther. You do realize they were considered heretics for thinking the common person should have access to scripture much less be allowed to read it in their native tongue. At no point prior to the reformation would anyone be allowed to offer an opinion outside of the church.

    I say all of this not to condemn but to offer you my attempt to counsel a fellow believer in being cautious about holding to dearly to your interpretation of the bible and not leaving any room for Holy Spirit to pour in new revelation. He leads us into all truth but he can’t make us drink. That decision is yours and yours alone.

      1. That’s correct it’s called a critique of another’s work. I never called the authors character or personhood into question only their argument. Thanks!

      2. That’s correct it’s called a critique of another’s work. I never called the authors character or personhood into question only their argument. Thanks!

    1. Bill Johnson and Calvin and Luther in one pot??? Holy Spirit (without “the” it is probably your great revelation you had) pouring in NEW revelation? Like the NEW Apostolic Reformation Bill Johnson is part of? And the NEW Prophetic Reformation. Their VOA and VOP conferences. The leaders of Bethel are all part of the NEW! They are the great and new Apostles and Prophets. The old is not good enough anymore. We need something NEW. A New Jesus. One that understands everyone and is sweet and nice and like my best buddy. A Jesus that would never do any harm to anyone. He is always smiling and has probably blond hair and blue eyes. YES, a NEW AGE JESUS! I can even see him, how he stands there smiling with arms spread out wide to just welcome everyone and pink hearts are coming out of his eyes. A sweet sweet Jesus (never found that term anywhere in the bible). Not like the one described in Rev. 19. No, this one is different. He appears in a NEW way. Just as we like him to be. Yes, that´s the Jesus we like! He fulfills our wishes. Especially on Christmas! Sweet, sweet Jesus! Tell me, don´t you get it!!!!!!!!????????????

      1. It was honestly sad reading your post. In one snide remark of yours, you reveal your ignorance. “Sweet sweet Jesus (never found that term anywhere in the bible)”…just a little hint…did you know that nowhere in the bible was the word “homosexual” until a few centuries ago. The Greek word we typically translate as “homosexual” referred to pagan temple prostitutes. It doesn’t mean that God approves of homosexual behavior…but just because the word doesn’t appear in the bible doesn’t mean much…just like it doesn’t mean much that I lazily used a lower case ‘b’ for bible…nor does it mean anything when someone says “Holy Spirit” as opposed to “The Holy Spirit”. In other words, you’re sounding a whole lot like a pharisee the way you’re viewing the Bible.

    2. Thank you Victor. And we are commanded as true believers to GO, preach the gospel, heal the sick, cast out demons and raise the dead. The commission has not changed, as Not one word has nor will change.
      Well said Victor.

  9. I live in Canada (with my husband), we listen to speakers on Bethel website, we participate in worship with their worship!!! We have been so greatly blessed and growing in the Lord! We have a greater desire for God and His prescience! This group at Bethel are a gift to the body of Christ today when so many churches are dead and dry! One day when we are in heaven all together, you will then be aware of the truth of what’s happening there and other places like Gateway People Church in Texes with Pastor and Teacher Robert Morris! We are so thankful for our modern day media opportunities to be taught and grow in Christ! I believe that these people mentioned have God’s smile of approval on them because they cause others to desire to fulfill the purpose for which we are born…TO WORSHIP GOD! Oh!!! I am so excited to have gotten in on these great ministries! Praise God’s wonderful Name!!! I hope you have a blessed day in His pressence! Spend time with God and He will fill you with His Holy Spirit and you’ll never be the same again! You will join many others who spend their days glorifying the Son of God! HALLELUJAH! YOU ARE LOVED!

    1. So you there in Canada need Bethel to praise God? Hasn´t the Spirit of God made it to Canada yet? Or do you need some soulish stimulation to get into the right frequency of heaven? With the voice of the lead singer of Jesus Culture? Yes, that voice might give even God goosegumbs. When they start to play, the level of anointing (especially a false one) rises just within seconds. I think you more became worshippers of man. But to test that, just stop watching Bethel for some months, and see how you grow without them. If you don´t grow without them, there is something wrong I suggest. Bethel is nothing more than a test of God, if people really love Him or they more love the world and what is in the world, the lust of the eye, the lust of the flesh and the pride of life. A test like Lakeland. And thousands didm´t pass the test and were deceived. The question is: How deceivable are we REALLY! Or are you not? Please tell me that you´re not, than I know for sure that you are already! You know what: WATCH AND PRAY! For many false anointed ones and false prophets will arise and shall do great signs and wonders and deceive MANY!

      1. How is sarcasm ok to talk to a stranger and a sister in Christ? You have received and been blessed by someone’s sermon podcast, or a preacher at your own church, or a blog post, right? It’s likely this Canadian believer had more to her faith and walk then just Bethel…in the same way you probably read your Word and take in what your pastor is speaking about.

  10. Anthony, you are a good writer and make some good Bible points. But your attack is really disagreement with the entire Pentecostal movement. Remember that the Bible is not God. God is God. The Bible is one, just one way He speaks to us. If you knew His voice, you would hear Him speak. If you know Jesus Christ, you would know His Holy Spirit. By your own confession on the Mission Bible Church website: “True faith is always accompanied by repentance from sin. Repentance is agreeing with God that you are sinful, confessing your sins to Him, and making a conscious choice to turn from sin (Luke 13:3, 5; 1 Thessalonians 1:9), pursue Christ (Matthew 11: 28–30; John 17:3), and obey Him (1 John 2:3). It isn’t enough to believe certain facts about Christ. Even Satan and his demons believe in the true God (James 2:19), but they don’t love and obey Him. True saving faith always responds in obedience (Ephesians 2:10).” People at Bethel are getting saved, repenting of their sin, they are obeying Christ. They are pursuing Him. Yet even more, they are running after Him with every fiber of their being. If you draw close to God, He will draw close to you. You can know God, the Living God. “It isn’t enough to believe certain facts about Christ.” You must know Him. You must know His voice. May the Holy Spirit descend on you and your church and awaken your spirit. God bless brother.

    1. In the beginning was the Word…… yes the Bible is God. Well, it is at least what God has given us to understand who he is. And of course He gave us Jesus….and the Word became flesh. And anything that we feel we have heard from the Holy Spirit should be weighed by the Word. I believe in the Gifts of the Spirit but more important is Jesus’ command to make disciples.

    2. People at Bethel are defiantly deceived by a humanistic Gospel which produces one Superstar after the other. Can´t you not even get that simple fact? But you guys are really into stages and stars and getting honor from people. Check what Jesus says about that. A great deception of this last days of the twister to forbid people to judge rightly because they think they are doing wrong if not honoring those leaders. What a lukewarm boring and man-pleasing group of followers of the one that sits on a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and wages war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the WORD OF GOD. The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. Coming out of his mouth is a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.” He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: king of kings and lord of lords. Where are the warriors, that are not bowing to those golden calfs? Maybe one day you become one as you wake up! WAKE UP!!!

      1. Do you know these “super stars ” ??? Have you even met them??? Because I do and have and they live humble upright lives and I notice they are not wasting their time on this site arguing your disapproval of them, they are too busy ministering to those who need to hear the word of God. And by the way God has a name and so does Jesus and we don’t use the correct ones! It’s Yahweh and Yeshua!!! So, my point is, there are many things taken out of context and not correct in interpretation as others have pointed out. I attend JC and can ASSURE you we do not bow like golden calves to our praise band but to the Heavenly Father of which we sing too and we do not bow to our pastor as well but he is definitely an anointed teacher.
        The Yeshua you speak of in Revelation is coming again and will rule with an iron scepter for all of those who chose not to believe before the 2nd coming.
        The Yeshua we serve now needed a cross to show grace and mercy proving that it’s not by works lest any man should boast.

  11. These criticisms are from so called fundamentamentalist ministers who present the same type of false accusations as the
    pharasies made against Jesus. An example is the idea of an apostolic age when the last of the 12 apostles lived.
    No where in the bible is there a specific time or period for apostles to be functioning and yet all of the fundamentalists
    ascribe to this. Rev 22:18 states that any man who adds to these words in the bible plagues shall be added to them.
    These as the pharasies shall have to suffer these plagues; please don’t receive these demonic accusations and be
    part of this company of false accusers. Be like Jesus,not like his accusers.


    Tom Daley

  12. Wow what a load of head knowledge you have. You are stuck in your head and ibvoliously not open to allowing the Holy Spirit to move in your life that is why you are so deceived. Why not interview the thousands of people that were instantly healed and delivered from stuff that people like you spend fifty years trying to counsel them out of with no results and then re-write this artcicle with you as the people doing the repentance for shaming what our Lord has bought and paid for with His precious blood

    1. Daniel, which God did u pray to before writing this? Or rather, which God gave you a response to cast aspersions on another’s ministry? (I copied my response from Karen, but isn’t it fitting?)

    2. Instantly healed from what? Pain in the back or the head? Maybe like at the so called Lakeland Revival? Wasn´t Bill Johnson also part of those great Apostles and Prophets who came to appoint this ugly little fat Todd Bentley as THE Leader of the GREATEST worldwide Revival just days before this Great Move of (a) God ended because of this arrogant lunatic? Emma didn´t help him sadly. But Rick Joyner brought him back to ministry. So whom are you repeating? Do you know what happens if the HOLY SPIRIT moves? Do some research on REAL Revival and study your Bible about the End-Times and maybe realize that there are people who do their homework and therefore are able to help others to discern!

      1. I was healed. My friend was healed. And yes, instantly. And yes I’m still healed 12 years later. And ya wanna hear
        Another healing that will blow some people’s theology? When I was three and a half I was crushed by almost a thousand pounds of hay bales…my Mormon dad found me there with my feet sticking out, threw the bales off me, my eyes were open, my mouth full of hay…I was flopping around seemingly lifeless, he ran me into the farmhouse, and my Mormon grandpa ‘blessed’ me (which we all prob agree we wouldn’t want a Mormon laying hands on us and praying)…BUT God heard their prayers and He has a plan for my life and I was instantly healed then as well. I immediately began breathing and suffered no consequences. I am so thankful that not only is He able to heal, but He is willing.

  13. Oh ye who have so little faith. You must be catholic. Healing is one of the many gifts God gives to those that truly follow and love him. I almost doubt that you are a true christian based on this writing. I recommend you spend a few more decades in your bible before you judge other christians so incorrectly. And perhaps pay a little more attention to the log in your own eye before you concern yourself with the speck in Bethels.

    1. errr they aren’t catholic and if you read more of these articles you know they do believe that God can heal people…. That isn’t what this is about.

  14. I probably agree with most of what you have written, but I don’t understand why you would place a post-tribulation eschatological view int to the same categories of “Grave Sucking” and “tunnels of fire in orgies induced euphoria”.

  15. kkkkkkkkkkkkk é uma pena esse seu pensamento, está na hora de tirar o Espírito Santo da caixa e viver uma realidade sobrenatural. ❤

    Suellen – Brasil

    1. Se Jesus Cristo tivesse vivido no tempo desse cara provavelmente seria duramente criticado por essa pessoa que se diz pastor. João 21:25 Jesus realizou ainda muitas outras maravilhas. Se todas elas fossem escritas uma por uma, acredito eu que nem mesmo o mundo inteiro seria capaz de conter os livros que se escreveriam. Tudo que Jesus realizou foi tido como feitiçaria, ele mesmo foi chamado de falso profeta, e mesmo assim não se importou e inovou sim. O Espírito Santo não está limitado à um livro preto com 66 resumos. Ele é Deus, é ilimitado. Como é que uma mente limitada acha-se no direito de julgar o que é e o que não é de Deus? Eu não entendo essa religiosidade precária que já perdeu de vista o crescimento do pecado. Se são tão detentores da verdade e do poder das escrituras ele poderia ir e salvar o mundo inteiro.

      1. Caro Domingos,
        Me desculpe, mas você deu um show de falta de conhecimento bíblico. A própria Palavra diz que surgiriam muitos falsos profetas e falsos mestres, fazendo sinais e maravilhas que enganariam a muitos. Qualquer falso mestre e suas heresias precisam ser combatidos, como o apóstolo Paulo fez, por exemplo, no início da carta aos Gálatas. Não se esqueça de que o diabo também pode operar sinais, mas para enganar e desviar as pessoas da sã doutrina. E, realmente, o que se vê nessas escolas do sobrenatural e nesses cultos místicos não são o que a bíblia ensina, nem o que agrada a Deus, mas sim obras da carne. Não há real transformação de vidas, arrependimento de pecados e nem o desenvolvimento do fruto do Espírito Santo.

    1. Hi Anthony, quite an assortment of responses. I have two other posts on my blog that have to do with Graham Cooke. Actually doing research on him was how I began to do research on NAR. Links to the two posts are here: and It is important to note that the Assemblies of God in the USA do NOT support the OFFICE of Apostles nor their assumed authority to govern today. Here is a link to their statement on Apostles and Prophets: Point to note: don’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Blessings.

  16. Here’s me in the flesh saying you’re an idiot. Bible says call sin sin. And You are tearing down the body of Christ.
    Whatever the case may be it’s NOT UP TO YOU TO DECIDE!! It’s the job of the Holy Spirit to convict. You are NOT God.
    If you don’t believe in miraculous healing fine, if you make it, you’ll see heaven first. You and other denominations needs to stop picking and jabbing at others.
    But instead show love to one another even if they are sinful or wrong. Jesus NEVER called Mary a Whore or harlot, He said woman you’re forgiven now get up and sin nomore. That’s how we should be. Loving and assertive but LOVING!

  17. this is so messed up tho bethel church may have its flaws but it has good parts too like every church in the world. only one of your points seemed off to me but i didnt really understand what you were saying. that claim on the ‘apostolic age’ is false doctrine in the highest read the scripture that the young pastor quoted i myself prayed for people in the name of Jesus and saw people miraculously healed. The criteria to being a apostle is seemly being called by God to be one you dont have to ‘see’ Jesus to be one and if so then how is paul an apostle? how then did they chose another person to replace Judus to be the 12th apostle? How then phillip the evangelist do those amazing miracles if he was not of the apostles? Jesus said anything is possible to them who believe if you put your faith in his words and act on it you would see that you too can do amazing miracles as well and cast out demons and heal the sick if you believe in the name of Jesus

    1. But Bethel and the WOF (word of faith) movement don’t teach that! They teach that “you” supposedly can command things at will because a little christ lives in you. This isn’t actually true. There is no place in scripture that it says Christ lives in your heart anywhere. The Spirit enables us to live a Christian life. Can God heal people? Absolutely. But there is a difference in coming to God in prayer for healing vs thinking because of your special anointing you can -at will- heal others by just saying “the name of Jesus.” Re-read Matthew 24- it says many will come in Jesus’ name, “do healings, perform signs and wonder”, and He will tell them to depart and cast them into hell. What is all that about?

      1. Who in Word of Faith teaches that “you” can command things at will because a little christ lives in you? Never heard that in all my life. I’ve heard or read a few times that some preachers preach that, but I’ve never seen it. Do you have a citation? Thanks.

      2. I agree with Andrew, can you provide citation(s) for those statements? Who said them, and are those teachings what Bethel has taught (again, I would love citations)? I am genuinely curious

      3. Your depth of scripture knowledge is about 1/16″. Matt. 24 is showing that you are not saved by good works. Even if you operated in the power of God like the other disciples. Other scriptures say this.” Mark 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.” The disciples worked miracles, the 70 worked miracles, and obviously others. Even Philip and Steven and Paul. So read the Bible on healing – read every reference. And NO, i’ve never heard anyone but a critic of the Word of Faith preachers say what you said. “They teach that “you” supposedly can command things at will because a little christ lives in you.” NEVER in 35 years. NEVER. If the Lord doesn’t live in your heart, where is he? He that is joined to the Lord is one spirit. 1 Cor. 6:17. Eph. 3:14-20. That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith. So, you must stick with real truth. Don’t throw the baby out with the bathwater. Be specific and accurate.

      4. John 14:20-New International Version
        On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you. Jesus is IN YOU and YOU ARE IN HIM TOO!! If we are going to take the Bible literally for every cherry picked passage that everyone throws out, then this applies too!

        Also, this article saddens me too as I saw another commenter write. There is so much condemnation here. Any authentic, spontaneous, natural relationship with God is blinded by doctrine and head knowledge. Whoever has written this article, has exalted the BIBLE over PERSONAL relationship with God, leaving no room for the Holy Spirit. Man, your relationship sounds so JOYLESS and I totally agree with what Bethel said, some people choose to live a life without everything God has for us. There are no levels, just what you are willing to surrender yourself to and the expectation that God can use you however he damn well chooses, exhibiting SIGNS and WONDERS, and yes sometimes even acting drunk. Get over yourself. You’re not that important. God doesn’t need you or me but he chooses us because he loves us more than we can imagine and “he is even better than we think.” That last one is a Bill Johnson quote, just so you know. 😉

        I hope that this author and whoever else commented on this can see and feel the infinite love of God and be blessed beyond measure.

        Oh that Thou wouldest bless me indeed, and enlarge my coast, and that Thine hand might be with me, and that Thou wouldest keep me from evil, that it may not grieve me! And God granted him that which he requested. 1 Chronicles 4:10

  18. Meu Deus, é triste ler essa carta. Porque não vais às ruas ganhar almas ao invés de gastares todo esse tempo a criticar um povo que, com sinceridade de coração, tem procurado levar adiante o evangelho de amor e salvação. Você acha que tudo se resume na Bíblia? Leia João 21:25 Jesus realizou ainda muitas outras maravilhas. Se todas elas fossem escritas uma por uma, acredito eu que nem mesmo o mundo inteiro seria capaz de conter os livros que se escreveriam. Se Jesus vivesse hoje provavelmente teria sido criticado por ti.

  19. I have one small question, if it is possible that the devil and demons masquerade as angels of light and miraculous things can be done through them (by false prophets and teachers), why then would a true believer in Christ who only wants to further the Kingdom of God not be able to heal and do miracles in the name of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit?

    1. I think there is a difference between earnestly asking God in prayer to heal someone ( a friend, a coworker, etc) who is ill, and “commanding” a person to be healed and “speaking it” into existence. Does that make sense? All prayers in scripture are to be said with a reliance on God. Current Word of Faith and Bethel crowd does not have this- they teach you have a little christ in you.

      We are not able to heal others- ONLY Jesus.

  20. Hello Pastor Anthony,
    My prayer for you and believers with a mindset as yours is that the Lord will open your eyes to see what is missing in your life and ministry as the very thing you are criticizing as “unbiblical ” is the very thing that MIGHT be missing but NEEDED in your life and ministry!
    Take a minute and examine the fruits of your ministry over the years! Take some time and examine the fruits of the minister and ministry you are criticizing! If they are winning more souls to Christ than you are, then you should be more concerned about your ministry than theirs!
    There’s the tendency for people to get carried away by emotions when there’s a revival of “religion ” or an outpouring of the power of God, but no man should dare to discredit that work as not of God!
    It appears you have background in theology or possibly aspiring to be a theologian! And that is great, as theology has it’s use in the body of Christ! But you want to be a theologian filled with the Holy Spirit and with power, otherwise theology will do you and your congregation more harm than good! “The letter killeth but the Spirit makes alive! ”
    Any body can quote scriptures including the devil! Any one can interpret scriptures based on their education/experience/background! Interpretation of the scripture without the Holy Spirit does no good! But rather more harm!
    “The Kingdom of God is not in words but in power. ”
    You want to ask yourself what do you have, words or power?

    1. The Spirit has the fruits of love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, and goodness, and self-control……if man wills power and wants to bring people to man, not God, then another spirit shows up and does just that.

      1. Judge not lest you be judged, right? God is the ultimate judge, right? You’re judging the intentions of someone else’s actions. By the letter of the law and your estimation, you have therefore sinned. This comments section is full of people and them contradicting themselves.

  21. All I have to say is thank you to the author. I do not see you as judgemental, but rather a watchman on the wall. One day soon, all will be revealed for what it truly is. God will sift it all out.

  22. Keep it up! Sadly I think those that follow in the Bethel pattern/cult get furious if you point out anything wrong. They have drunk a LOT of Koolaid. They even think Biblical teaching is reserved for scoffers! Because they have “holy spirit.” I find this really odd to be honest- at some point Bethel stopped saying “THE Holy Spirit” and now its just “holy spirit.” This spirit though that I see is rather unusual and doesn’t seem to convict sinners of their sin- instead they just keep living in it. People I’ve known associated with Vineyard/Bethel/Toronto have:
    1) refused to work or have a regular job as commanded in timothy to care for one’s spouse, and also in proverbs.
    2) told people that ‘once saved always saved’ is good doctrine
    3) done everything and anything sexual with people thinking God will forgive them of their habitual sin.
    4) been rude, mean, and cruel to family members
    5) stalked those who were not in the “bethel” crowd.
    6) pushed the teachings of an indian guru on people as truth- even though it had a false christ character (Sadhu Singh)
    7) virtually imprisoned their children with them because they don’t want them to be corrupted (person not allowed to go hang out with any other kids, have hobbies, etc)

    I mean need we more evidence?

  23. It’s difficult for me to take this author seriously when he’s doing what he’s accusing Bethel and Jesus Culture of doing only in a slightly different way. He’s taking isolated statements out of context and applying the scripture he wishes to refute the statement with.
    Here’s what I know to be true. I walked away from God after 15 years as a worship leader and started living a homosexual lesbian life over 20 years ago. I am attending Jesus Culture and Crist Jesus through that church called me back to him in a most beautiful and powerful way. They most definitely teach from the word of God, the same bible the author uses to refute them out of fear.
    Different churches are called to fulfill different purposes and this church is called to revival and it’s happening! I’ve seen it and I’ve seen healing occur. I’ve seen the change in my own life and that the author cannot dispute.
    Worship and music is powerful in this church and it moves people. It has pushed my comfort level at times but how someone worships is between that individual and the Holy Spirit. Jesus Culture in no way mandates how one should worship. I love the Lord God and will raise my hands in praise and dance every Sunday and I WILL feel something in doing so, our Heavenly Father created those emotions for a reason, they help spur us into action. I am not ashamed that I feel something when I worship at this church because it motivates me to follow my God, to get into the word and to share this with others. All of this is evidence of the power of Jesus Christ moving in my life and Jesus Culture is equipping me to get out there and make a difference in my world for the Kingdom! Hallelujah and All Praise to the Father!

  24. Ok, if you still dont believe that Jesus Culture is a false Christian movement, just look carefully a the covers of their albums: for example “Jesus Culture Reconstructed Volume 1”, “Everything” and few more. You can find TRIANGLES there!!!! I guess we all know what triangles mean….And yes, I agree, that they rather promote the idolatry and the personality cult than the worship of the Lord…It’s enough to watch their concerts. That’s the truth!! We nned to keep our eyes open and keep trust in God, Jesus Christ and Bible, not in any kind of men!!

    1. Your comments lost all credibility in my eyes when you started on their album art stating, “You can find TRIANGLES there!!!”

  25. Here is an interesting picture of one of the teachers that have spoken at the conferences of Jesus Culture, Christy Black Gifford:

    Are you really that blind? These are the devil horns!!!
    Hear and read what she says:
    She is not the only one…

    What is the title of one of Kim Walker Smith albums?: ” When Christmas comes”!!!
    Christmas has pagan roots!! Any true Christian should celebrate it actually…..
    Here is one of the source:

    and so on and so on….

    the end of the days indeed….

  26. Dear Pastor Anthony,

    I wholeheartedly concur with what you have written and wish to encourage you, brother, in the face of what I am sure is a constant stream of push-back from those in the Bethelite camp. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly these people seem to find articles and blog posts that expose their unbiblical practices and then flood the comments section with their highly subjective reasons why Bethel shouldn’t be critiqued. As you said, Anthony, the Bible commands us to expose these false teachers, and the Bible alone is the standard against which we must judge the fruit of Bethel. I note with great interest that Bethel’s supporters give evidence of Bethel’s supposed goodness with testimonies such as “I got healed,restored and my relationship with Jesus is better than ever before,” “Bethel is a Wonderful church and it has more Holy Spirit there than any where else I’ve ever been,” and “I love the Lord God and will raise my hands in praise and dance every Sunday and I WILL feel something in doing so” — all unsubstantiated and biblically indefensible feelings-based responses, whereas you, Anthony, were careful to accurately quote what Kris Vallotton said and then refuted it by rightly handling the scriptures. Where is the biblical basis for their assertions? There isn’t any. And how can they then claim to be growing ever soooo much in their love for God if they clearly reject the teachings of God’s word?

    And lest any Bethelite accuse me of attacking something I have no personal experience of, allow me to say that I was a Pentecostal for 24 years and saw all of the supposed signs and wonders stuff, including the Toronto ‘blessing’, whose influence is strong in Bethel and its satellites. I thank God that I am now out of that movement and pray that others will have their eyes opened as well. As another fine teacher said, once you have seen the deception, you can’t unsee it.

    Keep up the good work, Pastor. There is more value in this one blog post than in sitting through an entire conference at Bethel.

    1. Amen, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment in support of this site. Bethel never seems to have Scripture to back their claims, they are supposedly too spiritual for that… I too was in the charismatic movement, I am now free, I know the truth, thank you God for your grace! I see red flags in churches everywhere getting pulled into this unbiblical movement. I even fear that my reformed Church will cave, they have used 1 bethel song during Church, which is one too many for me!!!!

  27. ok, the pastor Anthony Wood, must be a man of God, but he needs to know that in Mark 16 is very clear .. He that believed and is baptized shall be saved but he that believed not shall be dammed, and this signs shall follow them that believed … in my name … and here is a list of the manifestations for all that believe and not only the apostles but all that believe so pastor pray about this scriptures the Holy Spirit will reveal you , that you can have those signs , miracles will happen in your ministry , you are a sincere pastor so lets pray, we are praying here in Brazil for you , you do not need to get in reason, just pray

    1. Dear Fernando, please note the signs in Mark 16 include “holding snakes and drinking deadly poison” and ponder why some of the “signs” continue today but others do not. Cleary, Jesus does not give half-promises, so there must be another reason. And, the reason is that the apostles were unique witnesses of Christ (Ac 1:21-22), the foundations of the new church (Eph 2:20), and ended with Paul (1 Cor 15:8). Thanks for commenting brother – AW

      1. A lot in the article is correct to expose the false teachings/happenings. But the baby is laying in the street – wet all over.
        Feathers? Gold dust? Right! A holy lifestyle is the first fruit of the Holy Spirit. Excusing sin by saying ‘God is still working on me’ is blasphemous; and dangerous!
        With every real there is a fake. Counterfeit dollars look close to the original. Otherwise it wouldn’t deceive anyone.
        To be Scriptural what does one need? Answer: SCRIPTURES!
        Having said that, it appears that a lot is going on that is NOT scriptural, and a lot of love and even individuals having changed lives does NOT make it right. So they need to correct that, and quick. Repentance is probably needed badly.

        On the other hand, saying only Apostles (the 12 Apostles of the Lamb) could minister healing or have the ‘sign’ gifts of the Holy Spirit is also not Scriptural. By a long shot. Paul wasn’t one of the 12. Neither was Barnabus. There were even people in the Gospels who were not even following Jesus who worked miracles in Jesus’ name. Jesus said don’t forbid them. Also, don’t forget he appointed 70 others also who did miracles in Luke 10. So, that’s 82 plus some others.

        Too much to discuss in a comment like this. But maybe knowing more about the real and being more Scriptural ourselves will enable us to bring more persuasive and needed correction. We won’t ever get rid of all false doctrine until Jesus comes. HOwever, we must do our best. And if we are more effective in winning souls and building the ministries the Lord has given us, we can overcome the issues by sheer numbers! Amen! Be blessed in the Lord and be strong in Him forever! May the Holy Ghost strengthen you with all might according to his glorious power, unto all patience, and longsuffering with joyfulness.

  28. I totally agree with your concerns and conclusions about Bethel and have friends who have been sucked in and away from Bible-believing churches, others who attend occasionally for the ‘thrill’.

    I attend a very solid, Bible-based church, but our worship leader includes some of Bethel’s songs in our services. I have spoken to him about not wanting to use the music of a ‘church’ that is off-base, but he feels that as long as the lyrics are solid, it’s okay to use their music. He says it’s no different than, say, John Michael Talbot and his association with the Catholic church. I do not like our church “endorsing” the music which might lead some people to seek out more which is not solid. My husband basically agrees with him and thinks I’m making too big of a deal out of it, too.

    Your thoughts? I didn’t see any scripture or reasoning in your article to help my case. Did I miss it?


    1. I do not think using any Bethel music is okay, no Hillsong music either… It is very misleading. When we have so many songs, so many hymns why choose from a dangerous church? No it all starts somwhere.. Usually with the music. These unholy churches have admitted to using their music to lure the younger audiences, people like how they feel when they hear the music. They are not worshipping Jesus, they are worshipping themselves. We are to glorify Christ alone!! We have the same problem at my Church. Just be on alert that nothing else creeps in unawares… Keep praying for God to change their hearts!!

      1. And the waltz was evil…and cars were evil…and so on. In any music style or item, it can be used to glorify God or not. Someone can worship the music with an organ and choir singing with hymns, in the same way someone could focus their heart on the modern worship music. It’s all the same-no matter the style, the words (deep poetic stanzas vs repeating a true, edifying, God glorifying phrase) your heart and eyes should be on Jesus….and it’s easy to get distracted no matter what your worship music preference is. I personally like a whole bunch of styles…and I get why ppl don’t enjoy or connect with non hymns…but to criticize is so silly to me. i have been super super lifted up and encouraged by several Bethel songs recently. It shifts my focus back on Jesus…when I would otherwise be tempted to give way in my heart to cares and concerns of the world (aka anxiety!!),

      2. Music should never ever be the main focus of the Church. But it is not to say that we have to sing songs from the 1700’s either, or 1800’s. Some of them are excellent and theologically sound worship songs. Some are not. Again, Scripture! But of the world? No way.

  29. Dear Kel Sachs, I do not know them personally, neither do they know me. They are far away from me, as I am from them. There were several churches written to by Paul the Apostle. It was always a very personal letter that he addressed to them. I believe in a personal relationship to Yeshua, and God the Father, who is Yeshua, for there is One God and we shall love Him with all we have. The Name of God is His Nature. Yeshua the Savior and the Father. Therefor we shall call no one else Father. God´s Nature is the main point. He raises Children and make them Sons. To become a Son of Father God is the goal for me. That´s what we see in the Live of Yeshua. Born in and out of the Spirit and then confirmed as God´s Son and than becoming a Father to His disciples. Like someone that is born anew not born again. And then the process of making this child of God a son starts. Hebrew 12 makes it clear. It´s the personal education of God the Father. No on comes to Yeshua but through the Father. And no one comes to the Father but through Yeshua. John the Baptist was raised in a very special and unique way. He was outside in the wilderness. There he received his call, as we read. No man put his hands on him and made him someone. No man put his hands on Yeshua and made Him someone. No man put his hands on Paul and made him someone. The Focus at Bethel is definately too much on man. But those man are man of God I believe. The Bethel movement is influencing the whole Western World right now. I live in a small country in Europe and the whole charismatic world knows about Bethel and Bill Johnson. Still we are told to proof and keep the good. I´ve listened to Bethel teachings and I´ve watched it. Heidi Baker, Randy Clark have been here and they are great people I guess. We can all learn a lot from them. But what I realized throughout my over twenty years of a child of God still in the process of becoming a son is, that the Christians are still very inmature and blown from one teaching to another. From one movement to another. But within themselves, churches do not grow or have an impact on society as we know about from Acts. So I see it on one hand as something positiv, but on the other hand, it will not bring us to the point, where Yeshua wants us to get. I can not call Bill Johnson when I have problems. But I can call on God and seek Him and He will show me the way out and by this make me more majure and stronger in Him. Be strong in the Lord and the power of His might! That is what we need. Any replacement of God, anything that we put before Him, anything else that we trust in and not trusting Him, is just not acceptable. Bill Johnson and the Bethel team should tell the world, that they should seek the Lord themselves and seek answers and solutions for their region and connect to brothers (sisters) where they are and trust God to bring healing to their Land and not someone else. I´ve been part of many movements until now, like the Brownsville Revival or the Lakeland Revival. It swept over to our country and the effect was short and without any lasting fruit – as far as I know. So please understand my point of view. Here where I am, Bethel cannot help me. They don´t know me. It´s just through the Medias nowadays that we consider such movements so high and jump on anything that presents itself so glorious. As a prophetic Person I see a great danger in such kind of Faith. For it is the Faith in people and concepts and specific teachings, that God gives to them personal. Can you recommend the teaching of Bethel to the whole world? Can you recommend it to persecuted believers in China and other parts of the world? Is it the creme de la creme of protestant charismatic Christianity? I tell you, life here where I am is wild. Christianity is a big Religion. Believers are fearful and superfacial and inmajure. We are fighting the good fight of Faith and we are running our race as strong and fast as we can and by this, we totally rely on God, not on any man or movement. I do not put down what happens in and through Bethel in Reddings California. But if they would send someone that stays here as an Apostle, a sent one, and gives his life to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom, maybe I would honour it differently. But to go to conferences, where everyone welcomes them and praises them and wants them to lay hands on them and so on, it is a bit difficult for me to speak so high of them. We have the Word of God here in many translations. We have the Helper, the Holy Spirit and through Him and by the power of the blood of Yeshua we can enter the Holy of Holies and receive any knowledge and wisdom and power and strength in the fear of the Lord, and we do it and will do it and trust Him and Him only, for cursed is who trusts in man. Thanks for your comment and may the Lord strengthen you in this times as it is needed!

    1. Hi kaleb,
      I will admit upfront that after the first paragraph of your response I only skimmed the rest. I will go back and re-read.
      Let me clarify that I attended Jesus Culture which is a separate church planted from Bethel. But I know first hand from our Pastor and from how we operate that NO ONE worships the pastors but only God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit.
      I must however correct your misuse of our Heavenly Fathers name because I believe that it is VERY important and was very important to him when he announced it and describes his nature and his desire for us to have a personal relationship with him.
      You are calling the Father Yeshua when in fact that is the Son Jesus Christs name. Our Heavenly Father does have a name and it is important if you are distinguishing it to use it correctly, it is and will always be Yahweh.
      In our church we do not call on anyone but the power of God and to him all glory, honor and praise will be given!
      Peace and blessings to you.

  30. Dear Kel Sachs, maybe you do not understand me as it seems, but that is alright. You can also just skim this my comment, but maybe you read it with an open Spirit. We could of course discuss about what is so important to you like the name of God. To Mose God said, I am the I am. He is the One that was and is and will always be. The word “He is” comes from the Hebrew root word haya, which means, “to be.” It is the third person form of this word, “He is,” that becomes the name Yahweh. If we call Him Yeshua, you just call Him the “God that saves”. So if we say for example “In Jesus Name” we say “In the God that saves Name”. But many use it like a formula. Like any Name in the hebrew it has a specific meaning. In the ancient world, names communicated something about a person’s character, so a name carried much meaning with it. But alright. You probably know that. I believe Yeshua called Him Father cause of the relationship and to show us that God is a Father. The times that the name Yahweh appears, it does not appear in isolation, rather it appears along with another name of God. It is not until Exodus that the name “Yahweh” appears in isolation. The statement in Ex. 6:3 can be understood in one of two different ways. The first understanding is that Moses, being the author of both Genesis and Exodus, may have inserted the name “Yahweh” alongside the other names of God in Genesis so that his readers would know that the God of Genesis and Exodus are not different gods; rather, He is the same God with different names.The second understanding is that the patriarchs of Genesis may have known the name of Yahweh, but they did not know the meaning of the name and how it related to the character of God. Ex. 6:3 is not talking about the name Yahweh but rather the character behind the name. Thus, they may have called Him Yahweh, but they related to Him as Elohim or El Shaddai. Besides that, I´ve never read in the Bible something about a “Jesus Culture”. It could be that a culture becomes a cult. So this name might also include the character of the church you are attending. It is good that no one worships the pastor. One catholic I´ve met said, they do not worship Mary, the just honor her. Well, it´s just words. They honor Bill Johnson. Yes, that´s alright. Just honor your Pastor. Yeshua became a Father and in Isaiah 9,6 it is even written: For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called, Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. So do you call Yeshua “Everlasting Father”? If not, you are not obeying the Word of God. And this is what I believe is the outcome of your Church and Churches. You rather believe your Pastors than the Word of God and obey them. Your Churches are part of Babylon and you should get out of it or you will participate the plagues that will come upon them. Greetings from Europe. Kaleb

  31. Dear “I love Jesus and the Word”, it is wonderful what you can testify! Let me just proclaim “JESUS IS KING”! Halleluja! I believe you that Bethel is not of the devil. For if a kingdom is divided within itself, it can not remain. The devil is just a snake that appears as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their actions. This is quoted in 2. Cor. as you know for sure. This makes me understand that we have to take care and watch out and on the other hand, fully trust God and run full speed. But always watch and pray and proof and test the spirits. I absolutely believe in the God that heals, the God that restores and sets free. And He does and will do! But not every healing is from God. In the New Age movement there are lots of healings supernaturally. But I believe you that you were healed by Jesus Christ through the Power of the Holy Spirit! I believe you are my sister in Christ and I do not want to put down anything that you experienced with Him for it is very precious if Almighty God takes care of us so sensitive and personal. I love Him for knowing us and watching over us. I love when He touches me and makes me cry or laugh. Yes it´s true, we do in many areas not give a good picture or example to the world. But there are several reasons for that, which I do not want to examine and expose right now. One of the problems are all those different denominations. The Mormons do not have that, neither the JW´s. But the reasons are the differences in expressing a life with and for God or having church services or teaching doctrines. Some lift their hands some not. Some pray in tongues some not. Some believe in healing and lay hands on the sick some not. Therefore we have to read the word and find out what kind of life God wants us to live and how He wants us to express Him. As I am a very emotional person I can relate to king David a lot. But also to John the Baptist. I love to be one of Hebrew 11 and consider the Cloud of witnesses my people of whom I want to be part of. I do not want to be part of a denomination or church or church name like “Jesus Culture” or “Bethel” or any other like Baptists or Pentecosts and so on. I want to be part of those who ran before us and I really mean it, you could ask my wife. Many of those who ran their race before us would nowadays end up in a mental hospital. To be honest: Bill Johnson is just to nice and smooth for me. Almost boring. He is an old man, but Jesus and the disciples were young man and when David killed Goliath he was a teenager. So if we focus too much on old man, married man, man with their families and so on, it becomes like an imprint. We thing that this is Christianity. Being nice, always smiling, having a nice family and so on and so on. But this is a deception. It is a ferry tale. It is Disney World. The spiritual reality is different. There is heavy war going on all around us. As it is written and was foretold. We see it in all kind of areas of society. But the church is not prepared, not equipped. They still play their nice games of feeling good and getting their ears tickled. Please hear me. Bethel is not real reality! Jesus Culture and their concerts is not real reality! I almost hate this Jesus-Culture-Cult, for it brings the children of God and the army of God into a almost drunken state and here I must quote Revelation 2,20: “Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.” I will leave you know thinking about what I´ve just said. Proof it and tell me what you think. The Lord speaks to me every day. I must hear his voice and follow no other. One day when we stand before Him, He will not ask “What did Bill Johnson say?” No, He will ask us “What did I say” and we have to know what He says every day and be obedient and do it. Every second and every minute we have to hear His voice and trust Him and obey! That is the best Life we can live! Amen

  32. I stopped at this line:


    Why think that is true?

    How can I continue reading the post when I find no reason or evidence to believe even the initial statements on this post…

  33. The first line I question is this one: “Because Christ is the “inventor” and the head of this body, called the church, it becomes a fundamental, and deadly, flaw when any man attempts to build something called, “Church” on a set of values outside those clearly specified in Scripture (and hence practiced in orthodoxy for millennia).”

    That doesn’t seem plausible to me a priori. Is there evidence for it?

  34. I kinda agreed with your points except the 3rd one.First of all ,apostle Paul didn’t see Christ so does it mean He wasn’t an apostle?
    Secondly as Vallotton quoted,the Bible says in Mark 16:16-18-All those WHO BELIEVE(in other words ALL CHRISTAINS)will heal the sick.Also Jhn 14:12-“Verily Verily I say unto you ,He that believeth on me ,the works that I do He shall do also,and GREATER WORKS THAN this shall he do ….” Jesus healed the sick,the apostle did the same so can we.Personally i have prayed for people who received instant healing and i dont attend Bethel Church.I have withnessed and heared a lot of miracles that were done by christains who don’t go or even know about Bethel.Healing is even a gift of the Holy Spirit.
    Thirdly,the era of the apostles IS NOT OVER.1 Corinth 12:28-And God has placed in the church first of all APOSTLES,PROPHETS….Also,Bethel NEVER said EVERYONE is a prophet.You twisted what they meant.
    Honestly,your third point was full of errors.They are right concerning this.We should all heal the sick.Everyone that read this,should pray for the sick and wath them get healed.We are Children of THE MOST HIGH GOD.Seated in Heavenly places IN HIM.He is in us and We are in Him,so why can’t we peform miracles??

    1. First of all, 1 Cor 9:1 says Paul says he saw Christ, and that’s why he is considered an apostle.

      My suggestion is to not focus so much on healing, but focus on the whole of Jesus’ teaching. Jesus, though he healed, focused on many other things besides miracles. In fact, he called out those who put inordinate focus on healing, such as all the people following Him because he fed them, miraculously. Every word is bread, you know. Also, look at Simon, the magician, who wanted the Spirit so he could do miracles, too.

      If you know the bible well enough, you will catch false teachings from those like Kris Vallotton. You don’t even have to nit picky looking for errors. They just plainly happen. In this, I believe the Spirit of truth guides you. The main issue I have with those at Bethel is the there is so much off focus teaching, so many errors, that it’s like rewriting the bible and worshiping another Jesus.

      Can you believe Kris Vallotton teaches that in the parable of the lost sheep, that because Jesus said the 99 sheep have no need to be saved, then there are people that have no sin? Yet, if you know the bible enough, the Spirit will remind you of Rom 3:23, “all have sinned”. Now, did Jesus lie? Did he contradict himself? Go back to the parable of the lost sheep again, and see that Jesus was probably talking sarcastically about the 99 who did not need salvation, because in that setting he was using the 99 as representative of the Pharisees, the self righteous.

      My suggestion is read the bible, not just selectively, but really get to know the Word, and you will know the true Jesus.

      1. The 99 sheep parable is about the church. What shepherd would leave his 99 sheep to go after 1 stray? The answer is none – no shepherd would do that because they fear losing the 99 over the one. Jesus is comparing the wisdom of man to the wisdom of God. The only shepherd that would go after 1 stray of the 100 flock is Jesus. When Peter strayed – went back to his old self – a fisherman – Jesus goes to get him and bring him back into the fold. And the mercy and grace of God – not only does He find Peter, but He finds Peter fishing to no avail until Jesus comes for him. Not only does Jesus supply Peter with an abundance of fish, Jesus feeds Peter when he returns. So the parable isnt about sheep who do not need saving – its about those that have salvation through faith in Jesus and an assurance of salvation by the promise of God that even when you stray – God – Jesus, will come for you and in your darkest moment carry you back to the fold – saved, righteous, perfect, glorious, and holy in the eyes of God through faith in Jesus.
        How do I know that the 99 does not represent the Pharisee? When did Jesus ever tend the Pharisee? Never – they rejected Him – Jesus was never their Shepherd. Jesus was Shepherd to those who humbled themselves by the revelation that they, inherently were sinners and that no one or nothing except Jesus could save them – this was not the Pharisee. Therefore, the 99 do not represent the pharisee but the church – the body of Christ. The good news in this story is that once saved always saved and that even in your darkest moment – the Father will come for you – will carry you under His power not yours to take you back to the fold and lovingly place you back where you belong – in the body of Christ – the church. Jesus said: I am the vine, you are the branch – you can do nothing without me. Once connected – always connected through faith in Christ Jesus.

        J Arnn
        Jewish Studies for Christians

      2. One last note on this topic of the sheep parable – we all are that one sheep – it does not matter who the other 99 are, because the 1 – well, that represents all of us.

        God has poured out all His heavenly blessings – take some why don’t you?
        God Bless,
        Rabbi J. Arnn
        Jewish Studies for Christians

      3. If you’re going to agree with the author of this article, you cannot rightly suggest that Paul was an Apostle. Though he did say he saw Christ, and he proclaimed to be appointed an Apostle by Christ, according to the Acts 1 passage that the article’s author uses, Paul would have needed to been with Christ since the beginning. That’s the criteria used by Peter to determine that only Barsabas and Matthias were eligible to replace Judas as one of the twelve. The big problem with the Apostolic Age argument is that Christ never remotely suggested only Apostles have the power to do miracles. Interestingly, the greek word for Apostle, “apostolos” means “sent out”…as He sent out the 70…as He commissioned all believers to be sent out into Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and into the rest of the world.

  35. This seems to apply here as well: 1Co 1:1-19 Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother, To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. I thank my God always concerning you for the grace of God which was given to you by Christ Jesus, that you were enriched in everything by Him in all utterance and all knowledge, even as the testimony of Christ was confirmed in you, so that you come short in no gift, eagerly waiting for the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, that you may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of His Son, Jesus Christ our Lord. Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius, lest anyone should say that I had baptized in my own name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas. Besides, I do not know whether I baptized any other. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of no effect. For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent”. (Here Paul is quoting Isaiah 29:14).
    1Co 3:1-3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
    1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and such sexual immorality as is not even among the Gentiles—that a man has his father’s wife!
    1Co 6:1-3 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unrighteous, and not before the saints? Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world will be judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Do you not know that we shall judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?
    Rev 19:12 His eyes were like a flame of fire, and on His head were many crowns. He had a name written that no one knew except Himself.
    Pro 12:4 A wife of valor is the crown of her husband

    I just want you all to stop and think for a moment about how Paul dealt with the church at Corinth, and how we fall into the trap of satan when there is division among the church. Paul, noted some major problems with the church at Corinth – there was division – there was contention – they were carnal in envy, strife, division and behaving like mere men (lawful ,self righteous). There was sexual immorality as not even among the Gentiles – so it had to be a very depraved, sick, unspeakable sexual immorality. But what did Paul do to correct the church? Did he swoop down on them and admonish them with blasphemies, curses, condemnation or excommunication? No – Paul reminded the church at Corinth who they were. First he (Paul) reminds them, that even in this dark division and dark sin that they are saved through faith in Jesus and were blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ because there salvation was intact the moment they had faith in Jesus on the day of salvation. The day of the Lord Jesus Christ refers to the second coming – which Paul taught as a cornerstone of the Gospel. Christian life is not getting right through self righteous effort – it is resting in the Lord Jesus Christ and waiting for His return. Then Paul goes on to remind the church at Corinth what there purpose truly is – to reign with Christ Jesus – that it was incorrect to return to the law of judgement – which only strengthens sin – but to understand that they were the saints who will become the bride of Jesus in heaven after the rapture and will return to judge the world with the Bridegroom after the 7 years of tribulation. To reign as Bride – as Queen – not as subject. Paul thought the best way to correct was to remind the church their value to God through faith in Jesus and to show them just how perfect, holy, valorous, righteous, and complete they actually are to Jesus. The precious treasure that is hidden in the field. A wife of valor – made ready for the perfect Bridegroom who will reign as the King of Kings over the world forever. Know who you are.

    Kind regards,
    J Arnn
    Jewish Studies for Christians

  36. I think it’s clear that the apostasy is here, the falling away. You just can’t have it your way. The Catholic Church was the first big problem as it was and is to this day all about money and power. The next big problem is the leadership of nations and their consistent politically expedient use of the church. Next has been the temptation to persecute, condemn and make war upon in the name of Christ, like the Inquisition. One can go on and on. Now it’s being taken over by man made doctrines and spiritual practices utterly foreign to the Word. It’s these emergent church leaders of the New Spirituality who are going to head a post modern day Inquisition. Has anyone ever taken a moment to consider that even though the Bible is the highest selling book of all time that it is also the most vulnerable? So many varying editions of it are in print. Everything about our Lord on this earth is extremely vulnerable to all sorts of tempting ways to develop doctrines that fit what you want it to be. This has gone ballistic in our time. Our Lord was also the most vulnerable when He walked among us. I find it amazing that out of all of the world’s religions and spiritual practices it’s the true Word of God that is being ripped asunder. It was already very, very difficult for ordinary men and even the smartest of men to have written about the Son of God and what they witnessed. Imagine sitting down to write about the life of our God made flesh and what He did here. How did one truly go about that: they prayed for the Holy Spirit to guide them and this often led them into trouble. Doing the right thing is never easy and that’s what is meant by narrow is the gate. The Word of God is not about worldly success, comfort and accommodation. We are fortunate to live in a nation that enjoys more opportunity to live a better life, and we should be grateful, but this is different from true Christian life. One has nothing to do with the other. These churches do indeed feel good and to an extent provide community in a badly fragmented and more dangerous world. But they are preying upon this. Part of my coming back to Christ was aided by Joel Osteen’s powerful oratory. And he has many great things to say and has a real gift to deliver it. But the more I read his books and listened to his sermons, the more I began to feel that something was not right. And I came to learn that many people who love the Lord and preach His Word truthfully feel the same way about Joel Osteen. For instance, when he says the good news is the enemy has no new tricks this is a total lie. First, the Good News has nothing to do about the nature of Satan, which Osteen never seems to instruct his listeners about. Second, the enemy is ALWAYS trying to come up with new tricks, especially now while its having a field day with the church like never before. Osteen gets a lot of very fundamental principles of Scripture completely wrong. You cannot “cherry-pick” the Gospels to suit your doctrine. We live in a nation that sets us up to live in an environment that is now prideful in showing off all of the seven deadly sins. The Bible teaches you to be on guard but churches like Bethel are not preaching how to stay on guard, as a matter of fact they are ministering in a way that is getting you to drop your guard to accept doctrines that are not sound. It will eventually lead to a lot of trouble for people involved in churches like these who are being totally misled in their deep desire to know and walk with Christ. Scripture is very straightforward that part of the walk with Christ is spiritual warfare. And we are under attack like never before in all of history. David Wilkerson was right. Satan has and is going after all of the spiritual people of the world in its crash program to make the abominable world a reality. It’s actually, much to my complete astonishment, happening in our time.

    1. I think you mean Matthew 7:22 where Jesus is definitely speaking to His Jewish disciples about the Kingdom of Heaven which refers to the literal Kingdom of Jesus on earth with the throne of David in Jerusalem. Matthew 7:21 -23 Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!
      First you have to understand this is to the Jew and not to the church. The church is never promised the land of the nation of Israel nor is the nation of Israel promised to Jesus as His bride – this role is exclusively for the church and the land covenant is exclusively for Israel.
      Now you really need to read John 6 to understand what Jesus says in Matthew 7:22 and who He (Jesus) is speaking about. I will post the main verses from John 6:64-66 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.” From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more.
      The number of these disciples has been argued for centuries that it was 74 or 82. However, it was a significant number of followers who did things in their name and not the name of Jesus who left Him when Jesus told them that everything they did was for the glory of God and not for themselves. The remaining 12 were those who believed. These were Jews and remained Jews because they did not believe. These were not believers. In Matthew 7 Jesus tells His disciples that many will come to Him and say Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in your name – knowing full well that those who no longer walked with Him did everything they did for themselves and not for Him. Very different than the relationship with the church or body of Christ made up of believers from all nations. So, in Matthew 7 Jesus is speaking about those individuals who pretended to be His disciples for their benefit – they did not believe and therefore they left Him. When the time comes for them to be judged, Jesus will tell them to depart from Him because He never knew them. This is very different from those who believe in Jesus and have been placed in the body of Christ. You and every other believer will be accepted because you have been placed in the body of Christ. And where the Head is accepted the body follows. Read Romans 6:18 – 23 to prove to you that you have been set free of sin and have become a slave to righteousness. Bear in mind that you present yourself based on the promise of God not of your own works, and that a slave to righteousness is an association through faith and not a title bestowed by God. Remember, Jesus said I call you servant no more but friend. Even a Jew who believes on Jesus is no longer a Jew just as a Gentile is no longer a Gentile – both are believers. So you must understand what is for Israel and what is for the Church – then you must understand what is for a believer and what is for a non-believer.
      In 1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. This is another example of a statement made to the Jew. Brother in the bible refers to the relationship between Jews and in this letter we see the author John is writing to his fellow Jews about the persecution they levy against their fellow Jews (Their brothers) who believe in Christ Jesus. What is sin not leading to death? – any sin covered by the blood of Jesus. What is sin leading to death? Unbelief and rejection of Jesus as Messiah. Again this is to the Jew and not the church because members of the body of Christ are ones who have been justified by God through faith in Jesus as righteous. Romans 6:16-18 confirms your status as a believer and no longer a Jew or a Gentile. Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.
      One point here: How are we as believers obedient to God? We believe in the one in whom He sent – that’s right – we believe in Jesus and God counts us as obedient. No more, no less. Hope this helps.

      Kind regards,
      J Arnn
      Jewish Studies for Christians

  37. Yea… If your heterosexual what a great place this is… but if your gay fuck off…. it amazes me that all you high end churches claim to be all loving but the hypocrisy starts when it comes to gay people. You treat em like shit and as less of a human being. Did you ever think of just stopping your incessant BS that we weren’t born this way. Does it really matter? some of us pray and struggle with this, and are never delivered from it. Yes we want to come to Christ to be changed from within and love God and Jesus, but churches like yours won’t allow us to. All you preach is that you can pray the Gay away and in the meantime continually hurt those that want to come thru your doors to be healed. I have attended your 3 day conferences along with Jesus Culture conferences and all I see is hypocritical white republican pricks is how it feels to me lately. I only come to worship the God I know who still loves me even though I identify as Gay. You judge us all as if we are sex craved perverts.. we are just like you.. we struggle. sometimes we give in.. and often times we just fight with armor on… but you wouldn’t see that… Why is it that churches only want to shun us away…. You threw us out in the dark places so the only place we could find love was in sex, drugs or alcohol… and then you shun us for being addicted to it… If you would just let people in with the true love that you always seem to think your showing to the world (HYPROCRITES) life would certainly work and be better for all. Not just those that you want to allow in. SHAME ON YOU.

    1. As with any sin, we all struggle. If and when we (inclusive because being gay has nothing to do with it) fall short, ask God to forgive us and continue on our walk, we don’t necessarily outwardly show that sin. The truth I have learned is that I am forgiven, even though we may fall short, God forgives and has remembers it no more. So, I woke this morning and started a new life in Christ.
      I have often walked in “being offended.” I have had to work through what that is and I have been freed this year. I found out that I was lacking faith, faith in knowing without doubt that God truly loves me. When I am full, there is no room for the offense. Then as I go forth into the new day, I don’t wear that victim mentality like I have for so long.

      I have lost relations with loved ones due to walking in my own flesh, woundedness, etc. We are all growing. If we look to others for our identity, we lose again and again, and then we are back in the victim mode, self damaging. Seek Grace (you will find God really loves you). Ask God to show you FAITH abundant. Then walk and study God’s word continually, every single day. Don’t get out of your Prayer Closet, War Room, Chair until you hear from God. This peace will free you.

      I will keep you in my thoughts. Love is real. If your being Gay offends others (& you aren’t flaunting an agenda to force others to accept something they don’t believe in), ask God to reveal where or what you can do to just love. That’s all we have anyway, that’s all Christ calls us to do.

  38. from your statements, “Based on biblical truths agreed to by fundamental, liberal, and even many renewal theologians, the apostolic period ended with the death of the Apostle John in approximately AD100. And, the early church fathers.”
    We cannot make a doctrine out of what could be seen as the early church respect for the 12 Apostles..
    I strongly disagree. The ministry of the Apostles is still present. The Bible says, ” HE gave some apostles…prophets.. so it is not a period. It is an office, a gifting, a calling…So we have apostles EVEN today.
    We cannot categorize church era’s, because even in their was called the last days.. We live in the Apostolic Age.. JESUS THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY, AND FOREVER.
    What signs did Jesus say we will do if the Apostolic Age is Over?

  39. Dear Sir. I pray that the Holy Spirit will enlighten your heart to see the truth that God is alive and still speaks inspiration today in many ways including through the gifts of the Holy Spirit and 5 fold ministers. The Word of God is a doorway into the supernatural arena and Heaven. if you are willing make Jesus your first love and engage those gateways, you can see and experience that the scripture is like an introduction to the great of the living and and our access to live in Heaven today. To say that inspiration stopped with scripture is all but folly and very sad. Once you’ve reached as many people as Bethel has reach then I suggest you think again about writing about them.

      1. Ur decieved urself. Religion has you an its the devil is using you to accuse Bill an Bethal Church. God bless u.

      2. To Anthony Wood
        You are DECIEVED yourself. We are saved by grace not religion. You HATE Bill Johnstone an his church. God called us to LOVE EVERYONE. No sane person would listen to ur long sermons. God bless u

  40. My heart is leaping inside of me, to read these words. Thank you for the clear word so desperately needed. So the question is: why is the entire evangelical church dipping into this occultic well for her favorite worship music?

  41. Bill an bethal church teach the whole truth an people just dont like truth they love religion. God knows what is in your hearts an these people who speak against Bethel Church need saved. We are saved by grace not religion. The devil is using these people to divide and they dont know it. So all who speak against Bethal are false and dont speak in love. God bless u all 🖐🖑

    1. Sharp word Tj, I like it. Except… I don’t really agree. I don’t know everything about Bethel Church but I have noticed that they’ve been critized a lot. I am scared by their (Bethel/Bill Johnson’s) influence; but I’m not trying to accuse them and Bill and get upset. I will talk more if I know you see this comment.

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